Should have bought a Ranger...

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 01, 2019 at 18:58
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Reply By: IvanTheTerrible - Thursday, Aug 01, 2019 at 19:20

Thursday, Aug 01, 2019 at 19:20
Isn't Andrew Leimroth from Berrima Diesel service? If so he tends to have a lot to say about a lot of things, most of which is disputed by a lot of other mechanics
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Reply By: RMD - Thursday, Aug 01, 2019 at 19:21

Thursday, Aug 01, 2019 at 19:21
Should have bought an Isuzu. Far less problems than all of them.
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Thursday, Aug 01, 2019 at 19:51

Thursday, Aug 01, 2019 at 19:51
Don't set fire to themselves like Rangers. :-)
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Follow Up By: RMD - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 08:06

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 08:06
Toyota's exhaustive outback field testing doesn't seem to have been successful in finding the performance flaws in the DPF/ECU programme.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 10:50

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 10:50
Perhaps "outback field testing" is not so useful when most people are using them as mall-cruisers... The DPFs usually need a good long highway (or outback!) run so they get hot enough to burn out the accumulated particles - not so good for short runs around the city, or in stop-start traffic where they tend to accumulate a lot more particles, and never get hot enough to burn them out.
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 11:19

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 11:19
Wrong in the case of the hilux /fortuna /Prado. It is the highway use vehicles which are most affect. Work that one out.
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Reply By: rumpig - Thursday, Aug 01, 2019 at 19:26

Thursday, Aug 01, 2019 at 19:26
Reckon i'll ask the 2 people i know who's Rangers have split the rear chassis rails open, and the person i know who's Ranger spun a main bearing in the motor and had the auto box crap itself and need replacing what they think of owning a Ranger....lol.
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Thursday, Aug 01, 2019 at 19:54

Thursday, Aug 01, 2019 at 19:54
Dont forget the problem when servicing them. Leave the sump empty to long and the oil pump loses prime and in most cases cant be re primed
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 05:01

Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 05:01
If the bolts on the towbar are loose you will always get the same result on any vehicle. I think you forgot to mention one of your tow bars was a Hayman Reese aftermarket bar that again the bolts weren't tensioned correctly.

My 7year old PX1 Ranger has now done 115000K of towing 2.5t and loaded to between 2.9 and 3t. The 115000T is the towing figure, the vehicle is at 145200K and in that time I have not had one problem despite being told here the engine wouldn't last 100000K and the auto gearbox would break, that the diffs filler plugs were in the wrong place which is rubbish.

Friend just bought one with over 250000K on it for a good price and it runs well. It has never had any modifications like the egr being blanked off.

When I change my diff and transfer oils, the oil comes out clean with no hint of any wear and the same goes for the auto box except fro a bit of colour change of the ATF. Engine oil is very clean when changed and even now when I refill I have trouble seeing their level on the dipstick.

Ford has had class actions against them and so have the Toyota motor company, which many seem to think are above the others, and class action means they won't, cant fix or hide a known problem.





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Follow Up By: rumpig - Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 10:28

Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 10:28
I didn't forget anything actually.....what I did was choose to write a short light hearted reply (hence the lol at the end), that left out other Ranger failures I have been told of, because I couldn't be bothered getting into a brand shitfight with those that feel the need to defend what they own because they themselves have had no issues. Both makes have thier issues, regardless of the many owners out there that have had nothing go wrong with thiers also
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 16:02

Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 16:02
Gi-day Rum lover,

I am not a brand person I have owned 2 Fords, One I don't count is an old Zepher ute that was given to me to use, it had more rust than the Titanic. The other was an old XB that I got in a swap for Roadranger gearbox and the ranger is really my first Ford to speak of.

I have owned 3 cruisers and a sedan but again I am not a brand person.

I now think I know what Lol means. I should have bought a Hilux. Oh! on second thoughts that might have not been a very good idea as it would have been flat out pulling the van and load, it would have been through at least one clutch by now as the gearing in them was terrible. Now it took around 5 years for Toyota to catch up with the rest of the mob.

I have seen the error of my ways and should have bought a new Hilux when they came on the market, that way I could have sat back and joined the class action. Lol.....

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Follow Up By: Member - Outback Gazz - Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 19:28

Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 19:28
Just don't tell the 200,000 happy Ranger owners their car catches fire every two weeks and the motor seizes when you change the oil in a way not according to the service manual otherwise they will all panic, put them on the market for sale or trade them in and buy Dmax's ! Could it be an Izuzu conspiracy ????



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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 19:41

Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 19:41
Throw all the Mazda BT50 owners into the batch as well, after all, it's the same car but ugly. LOL.
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Reply By: swampy - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 04:55

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 04:55
HI
The difference between Toyota and Ford is Toyota actually fixes stuff .
Ford runs away while laughing at u . If u look into Rangers history its not great .
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Reply By: Gbc.. - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 07:31

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 07:31
We have both in the fleet, and amaroks and dmax and Colorado. The rangers have been by far the most reliable. I’m still driving my 2013 and will continue to do so because I’d just swap it for another white ranger and theres nothing gone wrong with this one. Credit where it is due because I am no ford fan. We are still trying to get the 2015/16 hiluxs sorted and have started our own legal action - first time ever against any manufacturer. Should give you an idea of just how far we have been pushed and how much downtime/expense they have cost - 5 utes. The big fleet guys must be having a ball.
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 07:50

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 07:50
99% of the time, people who bag a particular car, or brand of car, have never owned one. It's pathetic really.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 08:13

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 08:13
Michael H9
Being a mechanic all my life, it is not necessary to have owned one to know of the frequency and bizarre failures which appear in some makes of vehicles, most of which should have been found IF field tested properly. There is no incentive for manufacturers field testers to genuinely find faults. Doing so, casts doubt on the design and production teams.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 10:54

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 10:54
Michael H9, perhaps the reason they've never owned one is because they're aware of problems with a particular make/model and consciously choose to avoid purchasing that make/model - it's far more cost-effective to learn from other people's experiences!
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 10:19

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 10:19
Currently the 'problem' with the Hilux /Fortuna /Prado is not the only one Toyota execs are tearing their hair out over , the 'new' Corolla and Rav 4 Hybrids , all 019 builds are on 'stop all movements' until the braking system is replaced .....
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 11:23

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 11:23
We tried to test drive the new hybrid rav to no avail. They were cagey as hell about it too. Ended up with the new forester and glad we did so far.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 15:54

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 15:54
Well we took the Corolla 'hybrid' 018 build for a test drive and loved it so ordered 1 , none of the colour and spec we wanted available so had to come from Japan , landed in Brisbane and then a 'stop all movements' on the whole shipload which is Corrola and Rav 4 'hybrids' due to a 'braking' fault...We also took the new Rav 4 [non hybrid] for a test ...bit 'too' pricy for what we want as a 'town' runaround ....waiting ..waiting...waiting
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 16:11

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 16:11
I’ve got teenage kids so a usable back seat is required. Unfortunately the corolla is too short in the back seat for 6 footers or we would have been interested. Also need a bit of clearance to get down a steep driveway which killed off the i30 n-line that we were keen on.
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Reply By: Ron N - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 11:48

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 11:48
It seems no-one has mentioned the DPF fires problem, that has engulfed and totally destroyed quite a few 4WD's - Rangers and Toyotas included.

This class-action suit is needed, because, IMO, the whole DPF deal is a totally flawed and failed technology.

DPF's are a major cost burden, they are a constant source of problems, a constant source of fires, a constant complaint area for increased fuel consumption - and the market for removing them has been a burgeoning one for years.

In America, fires from DPF's fitted to trucks have run into multiple thousands of fire events. One fire from a truck DPF in Washington State burnt 5000 acres and 49 homes.

The failure rate of U.S. truck DPF's reached 40% in 2007. The failure rate was reduced to around 11% by 2012, but that is still too high, and still doesn't address the additional costs of a DPF and the poorer fuel economy.

The simple fact remains that with a DPF, you have to use extra fuel (via additional fuel injection) to burn off DPF deposits.

Interestingly, the main researcher who came up with the "diesel particulate matter level is dangerous" claim (that brought about the requirement for DPF's in California), was found to have faked his PhD.

I have seen just as many late model, DPF-fitted, European and Japanese high-range diesel vehicles, spewing out just as much volume of black smoke, as early model diesels - thus proving to me that many of the DPF's are not working as designed - or not being maintained.

DPF's linked to U.S. truck fires and explosions, but EPA officials won't budge

Cheers, Ron.
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Reply By: Dusta - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 12:24

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 12:24
and people bag jeeps for reliability .
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 13:43

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 13:43
Land Rovers too. I've had both Jeeps and LR's, done high kilometres and been very happy with them.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 16:01

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 16:01
Dusta , you are a very very naughty boy , everyone knows nothing but nothing ever goes wrong with a Toyota .....oops , recall 250,000 ...nothing to see here , move along , nothing to see here , 'unbreakable Hilux' .......
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Reply By: OutBack Wanderer - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 13:48

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 13:48
I deliberately set out to buy a Prado without a DPF, after trading in my Kia Sportage whose DPF replacement costs $3000.00, bugger that, my 2012 Prado is tops with no more worries over a DPF

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Follow Up By: Pepper - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 18:28

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 18:28
So are landcruisers exempt from this problem ??
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 19:27

Friday, Aug 02, 2019 at 19:27
It potentially affects any car with the 2.8 litre Toyota diesel. They reckon it's a bad design how they've done the dpf using a 5th injector.
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Follow Up By: eaglefree - Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 12:34

Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 12:34
A DFP costing $3000? Thats disgusting.
Bit off topic but this raises my other general concerns with some modern vehicles. My i30 diesel turbo blew its turbo at 300,000km. It cost $3500. Normally $5000.
Just how many of us can afford such repairs?- many of us apparently. On the other hand I've had economy of 5.7L/100km or 9.3 when towing. Cost to do a "lap" in 2016 towing an 11ft van $1900. Why complain you ask? Because I've saved much more in comparitive fuel costs over 10 years.
What I'm saying is there is a case for non turboed vehicles. My tow car now has a v6 holden engine. Mechanical repairs easily done some by me, costs low and can pick up a good used engine for $400.
I'm rambling but I'm merely highlighting some negatives with modern cars that should not happen with the level of development they've gone through.
Not everyone can afford such repairs.
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Follow Up By: OutBack Wanderer - Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 13:23

Saturday, Aug 03, 2019 at 13:23
Yeh, when I entered the Kia dealership and asked for a price, the bloke asked what I thought, I said around $1500 to $1800


You sitting down, try $3,000.00, your sh### me, the cars only worth $5,000.00

I couldn't sell it fast enough, traded it in for the above, now I have 4WD constant, 11 kpl, the sportage got 13 kpl so I'm happy, considering it weighs 2 tonne and constant 4WD and not AWD, I want grip when it rains

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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Sunday, Aug 04, 2019 at 00:05

Sunday, Aug 04, 2019 at 00:05
Your vehicle is obviously still a diesel OW but in my case I opted for the 4.0l petrol Prado (same year coincidentally, with very low kms) so that I wouldn't be bothered with additional fuel filtering, DPFs, high cost injectors etc of CRDs. Drove the Everest, Prado and Pajero and did a lot of reading before ultimately deciding I couldn't be bothered with the hassle and down the line expenses - despite the other advantages of diesel.
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