100 Series dual fuel problems
Submitted: Monday, Nov 18, 2019 at 14:13
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Gabby M
Hi, We purchased about 3 yrs ago a 1999 or 2000, 100 series GXL that had been converted to dual fuel. The LPG didn't run very
well so we took it to a place that was recommended to us to service the LPG. To do this they revved the absolute S#@T out of the engine and caused other issues. The LPG did work then for about a year, then started playing up again. We took it to another mechanic who adjusted the mix and serviced the car but now every time we try to drive on LPG it blows the air filter apart.
Do we need to find someone who knows better how to adjust the mix or do we have a bigger problem. Also when driving on petrol we cannot have the windows down as the fumes coming into the car are horrible. The last mechanic told us to getting a new exhaust would fix that so again we paid for new exhaust but fumes are still there.
Can anyone offer advise or a reputable and knowledgeable Landcruiser/LPG mechanic in Victoria (Melb eastern suburbs) or tell us what is wrong.
We love our cruiser and do not want to part with it.
Reply By: RMD - Monday, Nov 18, 2019 at 15:01
Monday, Nov 18, 2019 at 15:01
Gabby
Firstly, there is no need to rev the engine to a high degree, except when checking simulated elevated road speed, which isn't real high revs anyway. The fact it blows the airfilter apart is a clear
sign of running lean, and lean burn of gas causes long duration of the burn and is still alight when the intake valve opens for more, therefore igniting the intake air/gas stream and blowing things apart. Seen it happen on EFI Nissans, especially at changeover from petrol to gas running. Your problem may be a sluggish gas converter not acting properly.
The leanness may also be caused by an airleak into the intake system from a split intake hose or failed gasket of parting flanges of the throttle body. I would look for hoses first though, thorough
check needed.
Any exhaust fumed detected which enter the car are carbon monoxide killers and poisoning you. ie, gassed to death.
Either the exhaust exit at the rear is not placed properly and/or the rear tailgate seals are not sealing and allowing exhaust gas to enter and be drawn into the cabin when the extracting effect of windows down, is happening. That is, unless there is a clear and detectable leak somewhere along the exhaust system beginning at the exhaust manifold gaskets and further rearward. Even ANY mechanic with a low IQ should be able to find that in under a minute. If you place a rag firmly over the exhaust exit to seal it, any leak point with hiss and the engine should stall by being constipated with no flow.
Are the fumes petrol fumes or exhaust fumes, one is fresh, the other is burnt. Perhaps the constant use of gas and the intake explosions have damaged the intake system, possible causing a hose or gasket damage as mentioned.
Ideally, when changing from petrol to gas and back the system should slightly dual fuel for a second or so, to prevent leanness occurring and subsequent damage from explosions. In early Falcon Taxis, the leanness and load bang used to blow the LH headlight out of the vehicle and onto the road.
Sorry don't live in Melb but plenty of reputable and capable people are there.
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Reply By: Erad - Tuesday, Nov 19, 2019 at 19:01
Tuesday, Nov 19, 2019 at 19:01
LPG systems are much harder on the high tension electrics than regular petrol. They require a higher voltage for the spark to jump
the gap at the plug. Champion recommend that the plug gap be reduced by typically 0.1 to 0.2 mm ie instead of 1.2 mm, reduce
the gap down to 1.1 or 1.0 mm. They also recommend using a heat range of plug one grade colder than the recommended plugs for petrol engine. All this helps to ensure that the spark jumps to earth at the required point - at the spark plug electrode not elsewhere.
I am not totally sure about the 100 series, but certainly the 80 series engines had 5 mm diameter spark plug leads. So did the Pajero engines. After a while, the leads become brittle with heat and age, and when you remove the lead to replace the spark plug, you can easily upset the resistance of the leads as
well. End result is that you get leakage to earth or to other leads. My Pajero was very touchy about HT leads. I found that I had to be really careful when running new leads to ensure that they did not touch each other, or sag so that they touched the engine frame or the rocker covers. I found by experience that the best leads for my Pajero were NGK - they lasted the best and also were numbered so that the leads were the exact length required for each plug. Other brands had longer leads and they shorted out either to each other (cross fire = backfire) or to earth (engine missing at times). NGK were the best as far I was concerned.
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