Battery Reliability

Submitted: Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 12:14
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I'm struggling to get reliability with my start and auxiliary batteries in my 76 Series V8 Land Cruiser. I've tried Century and Amaron brands and they fail after trips across the Deserts with the heat and corrugations. I've heard good things about the Odyssey brand but would appreciate any advice. Thanks Paul S.
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Reply By: axle - Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 12:57

Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 12:57
Hi Paul

I have used Supercharge batteries in excavators for years without any problems what so ever.

The conditions vary from rough, to extreme heat and dust in the summer to snow in the winter.

Would highly recommend them,

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Phil B (WA) - Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 12:28

Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 12:28
I second that Axle
I' use Supercharge All Rounders, have been for years. They are both a cranking and deep cycle battery.
I've gotten up to 2.5 years out of them, I consider that good given the cross country work and CSR type places I go.

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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 14:16

Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 14:16
I found their allrounders and deep cycles the worst batteries I have owned. We had access to extremely cheap supercharge on account and I still couldn't bring myself to buy them. Maybe they have changed in 15 years.
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Follow Up By: Phil B (WA) - Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 15:22

Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 15:22
Gbc.
15 years is a long time ago - I guess they must have changed, I swear by them as do many mates.
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 15:26

Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 15:26
I had good service from them for the 7 years I had my Prado until I sold it 5 years ago.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Nov 27, 2019 at 02:31

Wednesday, Nov 27, 2019 at 02:31
Also been using Allrounders for a while up to my 3rd one. 5yrs 3months is the best so far I got rid of the 2nd one at 3yrs 3 months then found out it was the glow plugs not the battery. I also run a Waeco CDF11 off the same battery it gets run for a couple of days nearly every week and it's topped up with a fixed solar panel.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Saturday, Nov 30, 2019 at 00:22

Saturday, Nov 30, 2019 at 00:22
Supercharge Gold and Yuasa (if you can find them) are the best batteries I've ever owned.

I've got 9 yrs and 6 mths and 10yrs and 8mths out of two Yuasa batteries respectively.

I generally get 5 to 6 years out of Supercharge Gold batteries.

If you want robust batteries that can stand constant vibration, buy Caterpillar batteries.

Cat batteries have heavier plates and separators, and the plates are bonded to the bottom of the case to stop them from cracking and breaking off with heavy vibration.

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Reply By: Erad - Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 13:30

Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 13:30
You are probably right with your diagnosis about battery failure - heat and vibration. You may be able to help with both a little by placing some rubber eg an old inner tube under the battery and making up a heat shield from some aluminium sheeting to deflect the hot air from directly hitting the battery walls. It still wont keep the battery cool but if it is located where there is a blast of hot air from the radiator or a turbo, then it may help.
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Reply By: mountainman - Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 13:35

Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 13:35
You could give CAT batteries a try
175 - 4390 ( product number / code )
with 1000 cca should be plenty of current for the 4.5 v8
Had a few now over the years
I used to be able to get one for $145
But no discounts these days
Soo budget around the $200

Theyres nothing on the market for the cca for that bargain price
Awesome warranty
2 years full replacement
And add another 2 years pro rata

Soo if your battery last 3 years
You only pay a percentage of new battery cost
But you dont get warranty on the new battery if you take up the pro rata offer


Optima go for around $350 plus range
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Reply By: tonysmc - Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 13:48

Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 13:48
I only use Exide now. The endurance has a 24 month warranty and the extreme has 30 months, although warranty isn't worth anything if it fails in the middle of nowhere! been using the endurance without any issues. I also have 2 marine starter batteries in the boat without any issues. The marine batteries have bonded plates with help against vibration which I have also used in the 4x4.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 08:32

Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 08:32
I have been using Exide batteries (two batteries in parallel) since 1999 but last time, 2 years ago I moved to Century to support local manufacturing as Exide are made in Asia now. So far so good and since then i have replaced my two cars with Century batteries also. I used to get 4 years out of the Exide Endurance running a very thirsty 90 litre inverter fridge so i was pretty happy with that. It will be interesting to see how the Century stack up over time. Michael
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Reply By: RMD - Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 16:34

Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 16:34
Paul
No matter which battery brand or claim to be good, having the battery clamps, rubber between it and the battery AND a cushion or rubber underneath each battery will vastly reduce the instantaneous vibration into the battery. That suddenness of vibe is the killer. Also, a piece of vacuum cleaner flex hose or larger, from front near radiator to feed fresher cooler air to the battery has to lessen the battery temps. If also insulated from radiant heat as mentioned you are providing further insurance for the batteries. Unless you do at least some of those things the situation regarding life isn’t going to change with and battery.
PS. A battery needs to be retained in place, so having the battery clamping system too tight means you are delivering the road shocks/vibes directly to the battery. Cushioned as above and retained gently, not clamped to within an inch of it’s life allows any cushioning to do it’s job and maximise battery life if vibes are what is destroying them.
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Reply By: Gbc.. - Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 17:31

Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 17:31
Both odyssey and optima are designed for corrugations and hold up well. I have one odyssey and a number of optimas. They end up being cheap as they last so long. You won’t have an issue with either. I have also owned a number of the brands mentioned above and have been less than impressed with them unfortunately.
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 15:20

Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 15:20
Something to keep in mind, Thin plate technology batteries such as the two I mentioned like 40% of their AH rating as charge rating to as a minimum to keep sulphation in check. They aren't just another battery. ie 100 ah battery wants 40a charger minimum.
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Reply By: Member - Ross N (NSW) - Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 22:28

Sunday, Nov 24, 2019 at 22:28
Hi Paul
I have had good results over the years with Optimas. The best lasted seven years as a starter.
AGM batteries do not like the heat under the bonnet.
Ross
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 06:33

Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 06:33
70 series have had problems with underbonnet heat and shortened battery life since 1985, so bad that in the early days Toyota fitted insulated covers and an air duct with a separate vent on the side from the factory.
The heat, vibration and in many instances the auxilary not being fully charged properly leads to early failure.
Fitting extra batteries and other accessories both internally and externally which further reduces airflow doesn't help at all.
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Reply By: Legendts - Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 13:04

Monday, Nov 25, 2019 at 13:04
Paul I have Odysseys in my 200. Big and heavy as they are I like them. These are the second pair I have had the first were not the metal jacketed ones and did suffer a little from the heat I think. The current ones have been in for about three years and going strong. I guess the one downside is they are costly but if you can get around that I would recommend them.
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Reply By: Paul S - Thursday, Nov 28, 2019 at 13:11

Thursday, Nov 28, 2019 at 13:11
Thanks to everyone for your comments and advice. I would love to support Aussie made where possible but I need reliability overall so I will have a look at all the brands recommended.
Also I will definitely look into the cushioning option and the air cooling possibility but as you know there is not much spare room under the bonnet of a 76 Series with a dual battery setup.
Thanks again Paul S.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Thursday, Nov 28, 2019 at 14:25

Thursday, Nov 28, 2019 at 14:25
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Paul, I measured the engine bay temperature of my 78 Troopy once when I was killing AGM batteries. It was over 80c at the batteries. So I installed a heat shield as per the photo below. Cool air entered from below the headlight and exited below the firewall. Pulled the temperature right down to ambient.
The shield material is foil-covered foam from Clark Rubber, folded over and glued together.
The auxiliary battery has since been transferred to the cabin but the shield remains to benefit the crank battery.
It does not impede access for routine maintenance and is easily removed if need be.
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