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Submitted: Monday, Dec 02, 2019 at 18:43
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Good Evening All

Not sure if you all have heard, but there is a full on search for 2 people still missing south of Alice Springs, when the driver took a wrong turn and they become bogged in a creek bed.

Here is the link to the full story

How many times do we have to say....never leave your vehicle and a PLB is the cheapest piece of life savings equipment that any traveler can buy.

Lets hope and pray the two still missing are found safe and well, but on the news just now, the Police have only found one set of foot prints.



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Reply By: Candace S. - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 02:19

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 02:19
PLBs have their place. But they're intended to be used in life-threatening situations.

If your vehicle gets bogged or breaks down during a day trip, it shouldn't become a life-threatening situation. IF you have a satellite phone, or a reliable person has your travel plan and is watching for your return that evening. Or preferably both of those.

Plus of course some emergency supplies. In particular, at least enough water for the whole party for 2+ days.

Apparently, these folks had none of those.

A PLB is a back up to that. Or for times when you are away from your vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 07:23

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 07:23
Hi Candace

Their day trip has now turned out to be 2 weeks of hell.

As you know, our Australian Outback is never to be taken lightly and even if just for a day drive and you do get bogged and no way of getting out, authorities would rather a PLB be triggered and finding the people safe, than now 2 weeks later trying to find a needle in a hay stack.

It now looks like they will have an almost impossible situation of finding them alive, as when they split up, they can only find 1 set of foot prints.


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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 12:58

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 12:58
Hi Candace, I think to some degree you are right, but i'm sure the Police and rescue would rather you use the PLB early than wait for two weeks and having spent hundreds of man hours looking for them first. The first lady they found said she was worried that no one was looking for them, the main reason for leaving the vehicle. In that situation I would be using whatever i had after a few days if things were looking grim. Michael
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 07:18

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 07:18
The PLB is the at the head of things to own. It is the first and most important item you buy. Everything else is a backup to that, not the other way round. That is why epirbs are mandatory on offshore vessels - they mostly all carry satphones too but they aren’t mandatory. I choose a PLB over a sat phone every time as a first choice lifesaving device, then fill in the blanks underneath depending on the activity.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:47

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:47
The basic and most important thing to know when you own a 4WD and you're heading into remote regions, is to know how to de-bog a bogged vehicle - and carry enough de-bogging equipment to ensure you CAN get out.

The number of people who have perished in this countrys interior, when they got bogged, and couldn't get their vehicle out of the bogged situation, probably runs into the hundreds now.

I learnt the hard way, in the old days, most of us only has 2WD's and we utilised them on what would be classed as 4WD roads today.

I know I got myself into some tight situations several times, with youthful enthusiasm, and a lack of reading the conditions. But I always managed to extricate my vehicle.

And I always carry 20 litres of water with me, and a few cans of tucker in the vehicle, when I'm in remote and even isolated rural areas. Failure to carry even basic life-preserving stuff has led to numerous deaths.

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Reply By: Mikee5 - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 06:33

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 06:33
Second that for the PLB or EPIRP. I have my EPIRP registered with AMSA for both my boat and my vehicle, they have all contact details in case of an activation. Getting bogged can become life threatening!
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 07:13

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 07:13
Hi Mike

It does not look good for the 2 people still missing and for the lady to survive 2 weeks is incredible.

Why they split up, was their first major mistake.



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Reply By: Joe Fury - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 10:51

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 10:51
G'day Stephen

What I am about to say won't be a total surprise to many especially those of us who actually take the Australian out back seriously, yes being out there away from it all as it is usually referred too has consequences especially if the Explorer/Adventurer miscalculates, or under estimates 'something' and in this particular case there appears to be several miscalculations made.

Like you I am only going by what's been released to the public, yes there is a great deal of luck involved regarding the lady who managed to survive, but after listening to her account of the saga in an ABC television report last night, didn't see any more than a person having huge dose of 'dumb luck' and living to talk about it.

The odds that the still missing couple being found alive are slim to none, now that they have split up ~ I honestly hope that 'dumb luck' comes to play for these two.

I'm not sure if Western Australia's latest 'Missing ~ found dead' story even made the headlines outside of the state, but just last month, a tourist died somewhere on Mount Augustus, which is in the Gascoyne region, it's remote but a popular place to visit.

The man aged 69 was on an afternoon hike with his wife, they became separated, she survived and raised the alarm, day time temperatures were in the mid 40's.

The German tourists, had only arrived at Mount Augustus on Friday 8/11/2019 his body was located/found on Monday 11/11/2019

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 11:32

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 11:32
Hi Joe

Unfortunately, that news was not relayed here in South Australia.

The sad fact of life is that far too many people have the attitude that "it will never happen to me"

I am like you and feel that the remaining two people may never be found, but we still we can live in hope.

I can still not understand why they split up.....that just seems crazy.

The latest news here on the radio this morning, that after being bogged, they left the vehicle with a packet of biscuits and found that small waterhole around one and a half kilometres from their car. They stayed there for 5 days and when the biscuits were all gone they thought that no was was ever going to come and look for them, and that is when they split up. Like typical desert temperatures, the surviving lady said that nigh temperatures were so cold, they dug a small hole and all had to huddle each other to keep warm.

The man and women had a compass and were going to walk west toward the main Stuart Highway, and from that point seem to have vanished.




NEW FLASH........

The man has just been found alive and rushed to Alice Springs Hospital.

The other lady is still missing.
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 11:21

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 11:21
The message to take the outback travel seriously, is half successful for locals and people like the readers of this forum.
The message is less likely to reach foreign tourists.
It is a bit like the message to swim between the flags.
There is no easy answer to that.
What a tragedy. I cannot help but to think that I too would have left the vehicle after all that time and without water. I know it is not the done thing, I am referring to human nature to do something to “better your situation” - sometimes it is hard to sit and do nothing
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 11:36

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 11:36
Hi CSeaJay

It has just been posted on the news that the man has just been found alive by a station hand that had been out searching for them and rushed to Alice Springs Hospital, while they are still looking for the other lady.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 11:41

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 11:41
NEWS FLASH.........

It has just been posted on the radio that a Station Hand out searching for the missing two people has just found the missing man alive, two weeks after they went missing.

He has been rushed to Alice Springs Hospital, while the searching team are still trying to find the missing lady.
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Follow Up By: Member - rocco2010 - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 12:21

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 12:21
That is amazing news.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 12:26

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 12:26
Hi Rocco

It sure is, and let’s hope they find the other lady
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 12:46

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 12:46
Yes Stephen, PLBs are the cheapest and smallest they have ever been, no excuse not to have one! Not much more than the cost of a tank of fuel in a 4x4. Michael.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 13:42

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 13:42
Hi Michael

Totally agree and they have just said the man was found more than 20 kilometres from where the car was bogged.

He was found at a bore and was one very lucky man to be found alive.

The Police are now waiting to speak to him to see where the missing lady may be found
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Reply By: braincell - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 13:17

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 13:17
I don't know why people travel around the out back on holidays in near summer conditions , maybe some oversea's people do but i wouldn't think any locals would do that .
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 13:44

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 13:44
Hi Braincell

Agree and they thought it was going to be a short, couple of hours drive, that has turned into a two week ordeal.
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Follow Up By: OzzieCruiser - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 14:07

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 14:07
The first lady and the owner/driver of the car was a local (Alice Springs).
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Reply By: Dave B18 - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 18:23

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 18:23
Never move anywhere without my PLB.
When travelling goes everywhere with us.
In the vehicle, walking, everywhere.
Don't want to die from stupidity.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 19:17

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 19:17
Same here Dave, and as I always push, it is the cheapest piece of life saving equipment any traveller can own.
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Reply By: Member - shane r1 - Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 21:42

Tuesday, Dec 03, 2019 at 21:42
The cost of whichever device one chooses is minimal .
I think it was Baz the Landy , about sat phone cost, said it was the cost of one beer a day, and most of us would probably have a second beer!
I remember and quote that often, because it is so true!
Could be a coffee or whatever treat you like if you’re not into beer.

Hope the other woman is found alive as well!
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2019 at 07:47

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2019 at 07:47
Hi Shane

Fingers crossed they should find the lady very soon, as they have now greatly narrow downed the search area.

The cheapest form of insurance, is still a PLB, with no on going costs, with the KT1 the way to go.

You can pick up a KT1 for under $250, with a 10 year battery life , or if you take all that into account, will cost you around $0.06 cents per day , and what can you buy today for 6 cents?

Let’s hope today brings good news
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2019 at 10:06

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2019 at 10:06
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What can you "buy today for 6 cents" Stephen? Well here you go for starters. lol
But seriously, I take your point and agree wholeheartedly.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Wednesday, Dec 04, 2019 at 14:57

Wednesday, Dec 04, 2019 at 14:57
Afternoon All

It has just come across the radio that the body of a female had just been found in the search area, south of Alice Springs and she is yet to be identified, but it is believed to be the last person police had been trying to locate.

This is terrible news and we can only guess what her family will now be going through.
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Reply By: Ron N - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 02:12

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 02:12
I cannot believe the constant stupidity of people travelling through remote areas, getting into trouble, and not having any backup, or extensive enough knowledge to survive.

There has been about half a dozen of them now, just in the last month to six weeks.

One man found, another missing - Outback QLD

Tragic end in regard to man missing in Outback QLD

Man missing North of Koorda after car found bogged

Body of man found North of Koorda

A young couple have vanished whilst beach fishing off rocks South of Albany - a notorious spot for getting whacked by "King waves".
The body of the young man has been found, the young woman has disappeared completely.
At least 15 people have vanished whilst rock fishing in Torndirrup Nat Park. Be very respectful of Nature!

Young couple missing after going rock fishing at Bald Head

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Reply By: Banjo (WA) - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 09:21

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 09:21
Searched the internet with the words 'Death of old people in falls'.

The result from the AgeingCare .com, the first site on the list of search results states that 'approximately 27,000 seniors succumb annually due to falls, but how can such a seemingly innocuous accident be life-threatening?' ............and on it goes.

The point is that life itself carries a big risk of death. If you want to carry a PLB, or a defibrillator, or pay a paramedic to follow you around you will still die one day.

How far should we go in an attempt to protect ourselves?

A PLB, Sat phone, 1st Aid kit, spare water and food - and that's just around the house in case of a fall.
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Follow Up By: Member - rocco2010 - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:07

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:07
I am driving to Fremantle in a few minutes . Very dangerous on the road at this time of day. Should I wait till later? Get an ambulance escort?

Seriously though, maybe people should stop using “stupid” in relation to those who die in tragic circumstances.

I have done my share of stupid, many things that could have cost me my life or killed or injured others.

I’ll wager I am not alone in that.

Some get to make one, or more mistakes, Others are not so lucky.


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Follow Up By: Ron N - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:53

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:53
Rocco, I agree - but you make your own level of luck, by the amount of preparation you indulge in, and the amount of care you take, in dangerous situations.

We all know that youthful inexperience often leads to unnecessary deaths, particularly when youthful bravado is also involved.

But when you reach an expected degree of maturity and knowledge (usually around 25, but some take a little longer), one expects that those of mature age are more aware of the risks involved in their exploration activity, and make more preparation, and exercise a little more care.

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Reply By: Ozi M - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 13:36

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 13:36
Of course it is tragic when people die but so many people don't take even the most simple of precautions.

We could say it is Darwins law of survival but I feel for the volunteers who go searching for the ones lost.

I would not enjoy finding a body that has been lost in the Outback for two or three weeks, it could create all sorts of mental trauma for the rest of my life.
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Reply By: Member - Rustygq - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 15:01

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 15:01
Couldnt agree more Stephen. It never ceases to amaze me that people still dont have some sort of tracker or locator. All manner of equipment but seems most people put a PLB last on their list. Happens all the time in the High Country. Lost two young people just a couple of months ago.
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Friday, Dec 06, 2019 at 08:14

Friday, Dec 06, 2019 at 08:14
I followed the local 4x4 guys helping search for them on 4x4earth.com and various FB groups. Tragic.
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