What is the Best Air for Tyres??

mmmmmmmmmmm

Come to think of it, I do have the drivers side of the vehicle facing south when inflating my tyres.

Maybe I should revert back to genuine Toyota Air hehehe

Ripped Off as in they are wasting my time.

Maybe I should rotate the air in my tyres, just as I get the tyres balanced every 10,000km...…….. Thoughts??

Sir Kev,

Rotating the air won't help. In all tyres the air sinks to the bottom, causing the flat spot where the tyre contacts the road, even after rotation.

I think you need to inflate with hydrogen. That floats to the top and will cause the tyres to resume their proper roundness.

You're welcome :-)

Sir Kev
If your tyres are wearing evenly then the original balance which took care of varying areas/ heavier parts of construction, only the tread is wearing away so why rebalance at 10,000km. I have never rebalanced unless I lost a weight of a wheel. You do take pictures of each wheel and weight position I presume. That way if one disappears YOU can replace with same weight. No need to get ripped off at tyre centre.

Frank ………………….. Maaaaate

I am considering using Helium so I can float down the road :)

Sir Kev - Hydrogen is lighter than Helium so your car will float further off the ground if you inflate with Hydrogen, especially is you are smoking while you fill them...

Peter,

Now I am getting confused :)

I wonder if I trial different AIR in each tyre and report my findings? Do you think I could score some Government Scholarships to undertake this trial??

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Use Antarctic Air....... much better quality.

Get it here at Penguin Air.... 10% off.

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Or matured air here.

Just the stuff for Dave B18.

Allan,

The Matured AIR seems a bit cheesy to me and the Polar AIR might not last long in our dry inland Heat during summer.

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No Kev, it is the appropriate air for off-road tyres.
I have had the same Antarctic Air for over 20 years in the one set of really cool Cooper tyres.
The only thing to exceed that is 30 Years from my Purple Top battery.

So what will happen if I don't take it off road?? Will they let me down as quickly as Coopers warranty?

Contains slightly more dust than Southern Air so it's a little bit thicker.

Bit like too much cornflour in custard...

Cheers

Anthony

Rocco,

I want to know how BP delivers the same quality air throughout all it's branded Service Stations. Do they really stand behind the AIR that they provide, in that it is compatible with AIR provided from another outlet?
Is there 2 types of AIR available, in both Standard and Premium like their Diesel??


The plot is thickening

Well, we can easily see here, who's had a Humour Gland removal operation?

Got out of bed the wrong side today, Dave B18??

Dave B18

Absolute rubbish!

Obviously the forum family has finally found a topic in which you have no practical experience or knowledge.

Your unintelligant response has done nothing to add to this conversation.

Your reply does not assist the OP with answering their problem.

Cheers

Anthony

"Obviously the forum family has finally found a topic in which you have no practical experience or knowledge."

There is no such thing.
Dave.

Yep. Some people are only happy when they are miserable.

He,s left the forum now. I think he should of been drinking beer instead of vinegar.....sour old bastard!!

I trust you also realise that you have a major compatibility problem?

BP air is suitable only for BP brand tyres.

If you're using Bridgestone tyres, you need to source pure Bridgestone Air, from a Bridgestone tyre shop.
Accordingly, if using Toyo tyres, only use Toyo-branded air from a Toyo tyre dealer.

There are many horror stories of damaged and blown tyres, directly related to using the wrong brand of air.

There should be warnings placed on tyre sidewalls about this problem, it's definitely a safety-related issue.

It's a very similar problem to the cooling system corrosion issue, caused by using the wrong brand of coolant.

Using the wrong brand of air is likely to lead to unseen internal tyre damage, which results in serious air leaks.

I rest my case, yer 'onour.

Cheers, Ron.

If your filling up at BP you are certainly PAYING very well for your FREE air.

Surely HectoPascal is a measurement of pressure, not volume that you would be buying. It would be nice though to dispense an unlimited amount of fuel from a bowser at one fixed small price based on pressure.

Phil - Yes, that's correct, but service station tyre gauges are only marked with pressure, not volume, so we'll have to advise the appropriate Trade Weights & Measures dept, that we are being cheated when it comes to air delivery.

We all know that air compressors are marked with their output listed as "CFM" or "Litres per minute", so I fail to understand why we are paying for pressure in HectoPascals , when we should be getting charged for Cubic Feet or Litres of air.

Then there's the temperature correction that should be applied, when we are getting our air.
As we know, air being compressed becomes very hot, and the air coming from air compressors is at a high temperature.

But when we get our air for our tyres, it's generally acquired at a much different temperature, to that produced by the service station compressor.

I'll raise this important subject of unchecked hot air, next time I take my seat in Parliament.

Cheers, Ron.

Ron, are you saying that where you are that there are places that are now charging for the air. I would hope that they are only charging for the actual cost, plus service charge, of the facility as the air itself is free. If they are saying that they own the air above their site then we must petition the ACCC to force them to provide a choice of air sources that are more environmentally sound as their air is polluted with petrol and exhaust fumes.

This could all end in service stations taking legal action against anyone selling air-compressors that are taking business away from them, which is a similar situation with Caravan Parks trying to force customers to use their facility as against other camping alternatives.

BTW, we really should stop using the word "service" in relation to these places as there's precious little of that these days.

You've embodied the entire low profile tyre ethos right there RonN. Why pay for extra cubic feet of expensive air if your don't have to? Low profile tyres for all 4wd'ers! They are awesome.

Ron,

I don't use Hectopascals when inflating my tyres, I use PSI will that change any of your Claims??

Cheers Kev

Sir Kev - Ahh, well - I can see your main problem right there - you're using obsolete measurements.

We've been using Pascals since 1976 - PSI is no longer acceptable in Australia, it's an American measurement - it's sort of like trying to pay for your groceries with U.S. dollars. Just not accepted.

As your tyres were manufactured to metric specifications, they are rejecting the air that comes into them, in PSI, as it's not compatible.

Furthermore, you need to check if the compressed air you're getting, is still within its expiry date.
It's a little-known fact, that compressed air has an expiry date. If it's not marked with an expiry date, it's illegal to retail it.

Using compressed air that's past its expiry date, will result in expired tyres, as you've found out.

The compressed air that's past its expiry date, loses its ability to hold up tyres, due to chemical decomposition. This is known as aged air, and it's utterly useless.

All you can do with it, is dump it. Your local recycling station should be able to take expired compressed air, ask your local council if they have the facilities to take it.

Cheers, Ron.

Thanks Ron,

Can you confirm that the expired compressed AIR is recycled in a similar manner to AIRconditioning Gas?
Is it also why LandRovers are always broken down cause they refuse to change the AIR in their tyres?

Sir Kev, I believe that's correct. We can't have expired compressed air polluting the upper atmosphere - God knows we've already got too much CO2 and hydrofluorocarbons up there.

Re the LandRover reliability problems, I understand that leaking air from their tyres, is the least of their problems.
They are still struggling with trying to solve Leaking Smoke from their electrics, Leaking Oil from engines and transmissions, and Leaking Water when they ford creeks.

Cheers, Ron.

Ron,
I tried to use the new measurement in pascals but found them way to fruity for my liking.

Ron,

You need to rethink your argument regarding metric tyres & metric air pressures. If you have American “tires”, you will need to use the old imperial pressure measurement of PSI. However, if you are using European “tyres”, then you need to use the “SI” measurement system to avoid voiding your tire/tyre warranty.

Macca.

"As your tyres were manufactured to metric specifications, they are rejecting the air that comes into them, in PSI, as it's not compatible."

Perhaps when you use air delivered in metric, then check the measurement in PSI the effect is the same as Quantum Entanglement, the air simply changes because you measured it? Perhaps if you stop measuring the air you will enact a state of quantum equilibruim, where the tyres are either fully inflated or not, until you measure them (a kind of Schroedinger's tyre?)...

Hi Michael,

So you are a "You get what you pay for" type of bloke??

I prefer to support my local Hardware stores where possible, is there AIR of similar quality as what my Local Bloke has? Will Bunnings Beat it by 10% if it is a same stocked item??

Cheers Kev

It's a crazy world where people can make a living filling bottles and cans with plentiful, easily procured free substances and selling it at premium prices. Imagine 100 years ago stopping someone in the street and asking if they wanted to buy a can of air or a bottle of water?

Woolworths, the fresh air people.

Hi Pinko,

What about Costco?? Would have to become a member to shop there so it may even be better than the Bunnings Canned AIR mentioned above.

Avoid Coles at all cost. Used their air last week and my Bridgestone Duelers went Down Down Down.
Dave.

Macca,

So are you claiming Hot AIR is better than air temp AIR??

Well Kev, all the experts say you are supposed to measure your tyre pressures when the tyre is hot, so yes, hot air is better.

Macca.

Graham,

I agree, I am huge supporter of White Writing to the inside. I have had heaps of issues with getting flat tyres when I foolishly ran my tyres with the white facing out. Have had much better success with the White on the inside.


Cheers Kev

It must be true!Check this out...........



Let all the ultra dry, rust free western Qld air out, and had to reinflate with corrugated air from the Canning.

Bob

Bob,

I feel your pain.

Axle
Over inflation like that destroys the wheel bearings with instantaneous shock loads, you of course realize this because looking closely, Fred Flintstones wheel bearings were always stuffed and the wheels wobbled.

RMD.

Maybe the wrong lubrication!!….LOL.

Axle,

Fred's cart is a bit agricultural don't you think?

I wonder if I tried some Land Rover Air in my Cruiser tyres would be better or would I risk an increased likelihood of breakdowns due to 95% of Land Rovers still being on the Road and the other 5% making it home :)

Cheers Kev

Kev , the increased speed from the landrover air would be your biggest concern, not sure the cruiser could handle it? :))).


Cheers Axle

PS, it must be twenty years since you bagged my old landy…...lol.

I am hoping that if I use Helium that it will reduce my tyre footprint and increase my fuel economy. I am really looking forward to floating down the road ;)

You've gone and done it now. Next week the QLD government will have a department in charge of this issue. It will be an election platform. Won't somebody think of the tyres!

So are you suggesting I use the crappy air compressor found in those blow up air mattresses (they take an age to blow up a bed) or dare I say it, the old hand pump???

maybe use the compressor used to blow up dolls, might be a bit softer. just a thought ?
b1b

b1b,

Looks like some more research is needed, can you advise on which blow up dolls would be best to start my quest with??

That's right Sir Kev the longer it takes to blow up the longer it will last dont forget to refit the valve cores .

Soft air as b1b suggested may work not familiar with it but as long as dolly is willing to share her pump and you aren't left stranded with a flat batt. Then you will need a real jump because of the pump that left you stumped upon a hump this is tripe so do not gripe I'll get ff my bike and hand u the mike. oh dear what have I done.

Do you want my catalogue and recommendations ? Some are over inflatable and like tyres, can be uncomfortable at speed on corrugations........
b1b

Engel Dealers do AIR??

Since when?? do they use a Danfoss compressor or a cheap chinses knock off that has been reverse engineered??

Allan
The Almondco growers may take offence at that, they have a nut farm, it is certified too and it is good. Not sure how they milk almonds to get almond milk though, yuky it is!

That's gold , next time I have my de-caf soy latte in my re-usable and washable polystyrene cup I must have nutted almond milk. Much less cruel to our bovines. They can be used for steak
Thanks again- b1b

I don't how he did that with a straight face. I can't wait to see the oat-milking followup.

Cheers, Ron.

That's unreal I have a new respect for nuts now. I have been a bit rough on them in the past which is shellfish of me taking to them with a hammer or nut cracker on occasions it's painfull to say but nuts have feelings which shuld be respected and they live shell tered lives some have crack issues and no leaf should be left unturned in our endevour to pick them up.

The Google Bot and it's algorithm or is it "Al Gore" rhythm will be in melt down after trying to decipher the content of these posts. Eat your heart out Google!

I hadn't considered the use of the "Hi-Clown" I wonder if it would work in reverse?

I am sure Ron will supply us with some info he has at hand :)

Sir Kev,

Are you considering replacement of your RH Hi-Clown? If so, I strongly recommend you consider an ungrade to the newly developed Turbo Encabulator.

The first part of the video describes principles of operation. The second half provides valuable service advice which you could perhaps pass on to your local BP service station.

Frank

WOOOOOWWWWW
That looks as good as Snake oil :)

But it IS a tyre thread!

Actually I think this thread is a good antidote for all the bad news lately.We need a bit of light relief.
Cheers, Graham.

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Troopy, Oh, yes, right.

So your saying I now have to consider whether my spit is as good as or a better quality as the AIR I inflate my tyres with?

Would it matter if I had my dogs drool into the valve cap instead??

Dog slobber is good for lots of things - and yes, it would be particularly helpful if dog slobber was added to the air going in.

This will give the ingoing air, some "body", and reduce air loss.

However, be careful you don't include dog pixx in the ingoing mix.

Dog pixx is found on nearly all wheels, it's not advisable to mix this with ingoing air, it has proven to be quite corrosive.

Cheers, Ron.

Ron,

I think I will survive the dog pixx, as I have Aussie Cattle Dogs so they are virtually the supreme Dog on the planet so if a bit slipped through I am sure the AIR will not be offended :)

Cheers Kev

Now you have me thinking, did I have the magnets around the right way?

With the AIR being polarised, I wonder if the front right tyre is actually polarised for the left hand side of the car??

Good observation Bobjl ... but we need to remember the basic laws of magnetism, which is "opposites attract, like poles repel". Get that wrong and you will find the tyres fighting to repel each other, which causes premature wear on tie rod ends, causing them to separate, with disastrous consequences. One has to be careful with the advice one gives out on this forum.
OBJ

Sir Kev, interesting that you raise the issue of air being polarised. Could it be that it isn't necessary to have so much air in the tyres anyway. Surely someone needs to re-engineer this device and attach to all vehicles. Apparently it was claimed that you can lower your tyre pressures to 20 psi (can't be bothered converting it).

ah ha.... that brings back old memories. Just ask Harry Firth and the rest of the crew

Well methane is renewable, just ask the greenies about all the cows.

OutBack Wanderer,

I think I may try the air at Nimbin I heard that it is pretty good at keeping people High so I reckon it may work on tyres as well.

I wonder how Mick O fairs when using exploding propane to reseat beads on his tyres??

Garry,

This thread has certainly been educational, one would not have thought that AIR could be so complex.

I am waiting on a reply for every Tyre Manufacturer I could find to see if they had infact considered everything everyone has suggested. I am sure they will get their R&D team onto it as soon as possible as it appears to be a REAL issue here on ExplorOz.

Maybe we could conduct our own tests at Mt Ive in September whilst around the National Gathering Campfire??

Cheers Kev

This is the most excitement that we have had for ages LOL

I still don't know what AIR is best for my tyres

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It had an impact on Dave B18 too.

Obviously Sir Kev isn't a lateral thinker :)

" The air doesn’t last long in my front right handside tyre as long as the others. "

Easy fix Sir Kev - swap your RHS front wheel with your spare wheel - once done, the air in your right hand side front tyre will now last as long as the other three !

Do you really think that will work? Next thing you'll be suggesting a puncture repair or valve replacement. Doesn't solve the underlying issue - merely shuffles it out of sight / out of mind. Come on concentrate on the OP's issue please.

As opposed to the Coriolis effect which states tyres must be filled with one’s tongue out left in the Southern Hemisphere. I’d nearly forgotten about that one. I trust the OP hasn’t overlooked the basics.

Gbc,

How far out does the tongue have to stick out?
Would it be beneficial if I have all passengers stick their tongues out as well as the dogs??

Uncle Arthur

Can you advise what are the best raw products for production of own “air”?

Are some raw materials more productive than others?

Also what is the best method to transfer the “air” from the dispensing aperture of the production vessel to the receiving tyre - are special connectors needed and do they cater for the various sized dispensing apertures?

Cheers

Anthony

Thread run out- It has has a long way to go yet but we all need to agree that the basis’s of good tyre inflation & retention of such is to have plenty of hot air & to take the pi$$ (to seal the v/v cap).
This will ensure the longevity of your tyres & keep them rolling on much like this thread.

Totally agree with 'make your own air ' instead of that cheap rubbish at so called service stations , when was the last time a 'service station' operator ever gave service like "would you like me to check your tires ? " Not since Jesus rode a Donkey ... I digress , back to making ones own air ...a much better proposal is to begin Home Brewing Beer , bear with me if you please , The yeast that converts sugar to alcohol gives off CO2 in the process , capture this CO2 [ carbon dioxide that greenies and climate change as a religion fanatics are so scared of ] and compress it using your ARB Twin under bonnet mounted compressor [ no the made in China $10 job won't cut it ] and use that CO2 to inflate you tires , Greenies and the messiah [ Greta Thunderbox ] of the religion called climate change ] will love you for doing so , trees and plants will love the slow leaking for they need the CO2 to convert back to oxygen and you always have BEER to drink ...a win win for all ,including the Planet , [ maybe not so good for the liver if over inflating ]

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Sorry Alloy. I'm calling 'foul'.
Sir Kev's thread is about air, genuine "AIR" not cheap substitute gasses.

p.s. Keep religion and politics out of it.

lol

Alloy c/t

There is a wonderful BP service station in Bridge St, Toowoomba that has a nice elderly Gent that does infact provide driveway service. He pumps the fuel, cleans your windscreen and headlights, then also check what pressure you run your tyres at.
I must admit though the price of fuel is about 10c/l dearer than everywhere else (gives Coles/Shell Servos a run for their money)

Now back to the Home Brew, I could never handle Home Brew but Home made Distilled RUM, well that was another matter. Can the air from the distilling process be used as an alternate of the Home Brew AIR?

This method may be a bit hard for me to trial as I have been sober for 2079 days (5 years, 8 Months, 8 days and currently 16 hours) so far as well.

Cheers Kev

Baked beans produce plenty of gas at pressure but attaching the correct fittings can be confronting.

I'm just waiting for someone to mention -- Nitrogen!

Cheers, Ron.

You have done it now Ron.

So who has the info on the Nitrogen (Snake Oil) AIR used??

Ahhh ... your low Nitrogen problem has become obvious, you see.

As your RHF tyre obviously contains oxygen-charged air, as compared to common air in the other tyres, it is simply a problem of the oxygen escaping through your tyre rubber, that is making it go down faster than the other tyres!

Just to recap - for those who came in late - common air is 78% Nitrogen and 21% Oxygen. The other 1% is miscellaneous gases.
Oxygen migrates through rubber faster than Nitrogen! (True)

So, you have obviously been accidentally given some Oxygen-charged air for your RHF tyre, that contains a greater than normal % of Oxygen!

The solution is simple. Deflate all the tyres, and re-inflate all of them with pure Nitrogen.

Not only will the Oxygen losses stop immediately - your 4WD will go much FASTER! - because race cars use Nitrogen, and using Nitrogen will make it feel like a race car!

The downside is, you may incur more demerit points, as you take advantage of the greater speed and smoother riding on Nitrogen.

You could also use that as a valid excuse to any copper intent on booking you for speeding. Good Luck.

Cheers, Ron.

Don't know that you should be talking about Toyo Country A/T tyres like that.
Dave.

So are you suggesting I slip a Viagra into the front RHS tyre and see if that helps keep it up??

Be very interested as to how they would handle after that in both the wet and dry hehehe

Performance in the wet is outstanding...

Performance in the dry not so good.

Cheers

Anthony

Ah Tyre bulge. now there's a problem. That a whole debate on it's own. Viagra and tyre bulge could leave you with that let down feeling,, being made limp on one side but not totally down.

Sir Kev,

Just look what you have created !!

Since the wonder drug - Viagra has been mentioned, it might be time that you got some of the recently released Viagra eye drops so you can take a long hard look at yourself.

Kenell,

I didn't realise that if the eye drops missed and landed on ya nose, that ya nose ended up like Pinocchio hehehe

I did hear that tyre manufacturers are looking to change from white writing to blue writing that has been infused with Viagra so the tyres never let you down :)