How do Cruiser owners cope with IFS and sagging spare tyre on 'moderate' tracks?

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The cruiser has lost its design focus. I wait with anticipation to see what the next model holds. Please - agressive approach/departure angles, wheel travel and clearence, robustness, ease of customising and bushability. more vehicle choices = consumer advantage.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie- Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:06

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:06
Mate,

Sorry to disappoint you, but you're pleads will not be heard!!! The landcruiser you long for is all in the past.

For bushability and ease of modifying, I can only suggest you look at a Patrol. Even then, you'll need to look at a current model as I fear Nissan too will be too easily led into follow-the-leader mentality and IFS will probably be on the next model.

Cheers,

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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:09

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:09
What's IFS?
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Follow Up By: Schevchenko - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:16

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:16
Roachie - it really worries me that Patrol might follow suit. Maybe they might do a better job of IFS though.
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Follow Up By: GOB & denny vic member - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:16

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:16
goodday wolfie
i think it is indepent front suspension but i will stand corrected as i am a nissan owner

steve
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:18

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:18
'Tis Independent Front Suspension as opposed to Solid Axle. One of the current hot topics in 4WD design. IFS apparantly is much better behaved on the road but limits wheel travel (up and down, particularly down) in the bush.

Steven
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:26

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:26
Okay, thanks fella's.........

.......... I F S........

I'm F Stupid!
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Follow Up By: Members - Greg & Gail - Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 21:08

Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 21:08
They still make the Troopy
"Work interferes with living"

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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:08

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:08
Schevchenko,

The IFS cruisers do have a bit of a problem. The spare tyre is a easy fix, spare wheel carrier on the back and then a 170lt tank can be fitted. The suspension is however causing a few problems. The back is easy enough with the coils being replaced but the front is a bit of a worry. Not so much with the torsion bars but with the right choise of shocks. The size of the shock seems to be the problem. The length of the shock does not allow enough oil in it to do the damping. A big bore shock which is on the market has the oil but they seem too hard, other shocks just seem to fade.

If any one has found a good shock for the IFS cruiser please let us know, in the mean time I will stay with my good old 80 Series.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:19

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:19
Wayne,
You make it sound easy. Reality is it may be easy, but VERY EXPENSIVE to set up rear carrier assembly. Some of the rear carriers i have seen I believe to be around 2500.00 Dollars ( i stand corrected if wrong)
In relation to the spare wheel problem, I believe you can replace it with a standard rim which is much narrower and sits out of the way as far as exit points are concerned, less chance of side wall damage. Problem there is, it eliminated the advantage of a 5 wheel rotation.
Just my shillings worth ok, no offence. Both vehicles are high on my ability list.
Cheers Angelo
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Follow Up By: Schevchenko - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:28

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:28
Yeah - has anyone had to change or take off the cruisers spare while its up to its axles in sludge??? I can think of better things to do.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:48

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:48
Coke,
You can get cheaper carriers that bolt onto the bumper for around $500 bucks....but don't quote me.

Leroy
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:19

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:19
>>> The cruiser has lost its design focus.
The Patrol is the only one that hasnt... But if the photos of the next model are anything to go by, then its a pathetic paj too..

>>> I wait with anticipation to see what the next model holds.
LMAO softer and softer.

>>> Please - agressive approach/departure angles, wheel travel and clearence, robustness, ease of customising and bushability. more vehicle choices = consumer advantage.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it will be more like, ease of seeing curbs round schools, those parking things that beep when you get close to the curb/car behind, tennis racket holders, smaller rear seats to accomodate more kids...

4wders make up about 10% of the 4wd market.... make do with what you have...
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Follow Up By: Schevchenko - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:33

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:33
not everyone wants to use their 4 to pick up Jemima from college, and then get a latte afterwards. heck, they have heaps to choose from.
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:41

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:41
I'm with Schevchenko,

Maybe, just MAYBE with the introduction of all this soft-road crap the real 4WDs might start becoming tougher again. If all the latte set start buying Territories and Adventras and stuff then Toyota and Nissan might start to see their market as those that want real bush ability and start building real offroaders again.

Toyota has most of the market niches covered with their model range and Nissan has a good spread as well. It is up to us as consumers to tell these companies what we want. We want soft-roaders for taking the kids to school but we also want solid bush tourers.

Steven
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Follow Up By: Schevchenko - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:47

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:47
truckster - in response to "make do with what you have... ".
Well, I think we may have to protect what we have, lest it dwindles away, like it has been.
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Follow Up By: Baz (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:49

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:49
That might backfire though if sales go up on that type of vehicle they might target that market and that will be the end of the real 4x4, don't forget the greenies, their input might be a factor too. Just a thought !!
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:57

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:57
Thanks Baz,

And to think that I ALMOSTtyped "If all the latte set start buying Territories and Adventras and EXPLODERS and stuff"

Cheers
Steven
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Follow Up By: Baz (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 22:06

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 22:06
We had a look at the new Exploder not as much room as ours inside and less ground clearence, just looking not buying, can't find anything as comfortible in the back seats as the Explorer, it's a family thing you know !!

Baz.
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Follow Up By: Schevchenko - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 22:15

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 22:15
truckman - one more thing re " the photos of the next model" patrol. where can i see these on the net??? please share.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 22:30

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 22:30
Schevchenko posted this followup

not everyone wants to use their 4 to pick up Jemima from college, and then get a latte afterwards. heck, they have heaps to choose from.
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no, but 80+% of sales do... and thats what controls what happens to cars in design.. 10,000 people on here could all pleade with Yota nissan etc it would do NOTHING
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Schevchenko posted this followup

truckster - in response to "make do with what you have... ".
Well, I think we may have to protect what we have, lest it dwindles away, like it has been
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You think that Toyota looks at the figures of sales see that 9999 out of 10,000 sell to mums, they will change tact? Think about it...

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Muddy 'doe (SA) posted this followup

I'm with Schevchenko,
Maybe, just MAYBE with the introduction of all this soft-road crap the real 4WDs might start becoming tougher again.
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It will be the opposite... It will be softer.. How will more softroaders make things hard road again?

People are after comfort, and cupholders, not coil suspension and lockers... Look at the market sales figures...

The market is exploding in SOFTROADERS... not real 4x4's.

We all wish that it would go hard again, but it wont.
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New GU photos.
http://www.patrol4wd.org/
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Follow Up By: Schevchenko - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 23:05

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 23:05
truckman - thanks for the photos. they look like something from some weirdo cult - who are these white cloaked people checking out the nissan?? don't tell me they have something to do with manufacturing it.
the new nissan is the least scary thing in these photos.
is it still a gu, just smoothed aver a bit?
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Reply By: Baz (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:27

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 21:27
Whats this i hear a problem with a Landcruiser.

THE ULTIMATE

HEHEHE

Baz.
ps, can't help myself.
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Reply By: Baz (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 22:33

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 22:33
People want a smooth ride when they drop their brat off at school, get used to it, it's going to be the norm.
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Follow Up By: Schevchenko - Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 22:55

Sunday, Jun 20, 2004 at 22:55
How about double glazed glass between driver and brats then? may as well go the whole hog.
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Reply By: cokeaddict - Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 08:10

Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 08:10
And lets not forget people........
While the big boys follow in the direction of "softer" 4wd's for mums, Dont forget who is rubbing their hands with delight from all this......

The 4wd accessories shops, they are loving it. And i am sure in some way or another they are involved in feedback for manufacturers as far as direction goes, after all, they know that the softer they build them, the more after market sales come to them for us off roaders.

but that is life ay, and we just keep spending.
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Reply By: Hedonist - Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:26

Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:26
Schevchenko,

From Toyota's lineup, sound like you need a troopy.

Not sure what would suit from Nissan though....

Cheers,
Pete
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Follow Up By: Schevchenko - Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:41

Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:41
Just because I said what I did in the initial post, doesn't mean I want rough as guts 60's technology, even if it is capable. The two don't have to be mututally exclusive, do they?
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Reply By: Alex Callaghan - Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 13:25

Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 13:25
Toyo havn't completly sold out on the 100 series bushability!!! The standard 100 series still has a solid front axel. It has 60/40 swing out rear doors with provision to put ya spare there. It has a bush orintated interior, Viynel floors, canvas seat covers, no fancy stuff etc.
Add a good bull bar and the aproach angles are fine. There's never been an issue with departure angles in any 100 series.

Yes though, I know where your coming from. It's a shame and I hope they start to offer more choice too.
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Reply By: Utemad - Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 16:00

Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 16:00
Well I have a Rodeo so I know what IFS means.

However I am left a little confused when you talk about wheel travel. What's that all about?

Must not have checked that box on the order form :)

Utemad.
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 19:03

Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 19:03
This is the extent to which the wheel goes up and down in the suspension. A Shopping Trolley has no suspension and thus zero wheel travel. If it is not on a completely flat surface it will lift one or two wheels off the ground.

If this happens in your 4by or ute then you may lose drive depending on your transmission/diff setup.

Solid beam axles when set up with the right suspension are capable of much greater wheel travel and are able to keep all wheels on the ground over rough terrain or when traversing deep holes and trenches.

I think this is also referred to as axle articulation. Independent suspension usually has less travel or articulation because the wheel is attached to a stub axle that can be quite short depending on what this is attached to which is then attached to the vehicle (correct me if I'm a bit hazy here fella's !). This means that the wheel cannot drop far before it rotates it's camber to weird angles.

If you look at all the extreme rock crawlers they seem to have the solid axles with cross members to extend the reach even further. I would love to know how those work!!!

Hope I have not confused you!

Cheers
Steven
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 19:38

Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 19:38
Steven,

Thanks for the info.

Problem is I was being sarcastic. It is a little hard to portray that in print though.

If you have ever seen a Rodeo go up a really rutted hill you will know what I mean!

4x4 Australia magazine reckons the RA Rodeo has even less travel than the last one.

Oh well.

Utemad.
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 20:03

Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 20:03
No worries,

It is hard to work out sometimes whether someone is asking a question because they don't know or if they are posing a sarcastic rhetorical question just waiting for equally sarcastic replies! Or just waiting to trap the unwary.....

I had a '95 rodeo for a couple of years and it was a great truck but it was only a 2wd model so did not see alot of off-road. It had the 2.6 mpi auto petrol and was quite thirsty.

See ya'

Steven
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 17:48

Monday, Jun 21, 2004 at 17:48
Hmmmmmm............looks to me that I am still the one with REAL 4x4

Bushable, drivable, drillable, cuttable, scratchable, no lift kits required, lots of bush grunt

Downside is no aircon, no power steer and big fella fuel consumption.

It'll have to do!!!
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Reply By: Member - DickyBeach - Wednesday, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:03

Wednesday, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:03
I thought the "F" in IFS stood for a well known 7 letter adjective.
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