70 series hand brake

Submitted: Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 17:28
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Hi Folks

After 15 years of a crap hand brake, I'm finally over it!

Funny thing is, I've had 2 x 75 and 1 x 78. The two 75's HB were darn good. The newer one is, yeah, well....

I've replaced the shoes and even the whole cable (what a waste of time that was).

Looking at a couple of after market products from Superior Engineering.

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Link 2

Has anyone used either of these products? If so I'd be interested in your feedback.

Thanks

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Reply By: mike39 - Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 19:11

Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 19:11
Not actually answering your question, but my first was hj75 cab/chas.(drum rear brakes) hand brake never a problem, hold on the steepest hill. Only the vac. system was crap and 4 wheel braking down hill was hopeless.
Current one hzj75 cab/chas. (4 wheel disc) hand brake faultless, good as the old hj75. Vac., brake system checked all ok but will barely stop for rego check brake test. Seems a well known situation.
Seems to me the Cruiser cab/chas. springs and brakes still leave a few question marks.
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Follow Up By: mountainman - Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 19:49

Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 19:49
Upgrade your booster and master cylinder if your brakes are woefull

I did it to my 84hj47
Works amazing now
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 20:26

Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 20:26
OP is talking about the handbrake, not the service brakes.
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Follow Up By: mountainman - Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 20:39

Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 20:39
Im not replying to the original thread poster

Im replying to the mike 39
His hand brake is ok

Its his brakes that are not up to the job

Re read his reply
Or get some glasses

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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 20:42

Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 20:42
Ya got me!

Sorry 'bout that, Chief.

I will.

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Reply By: Rod W6 - Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 22:04

Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 22:04
I've had a shit handbrake on my 78 series for more years than I can remember. Two weekends ago I decided to do something about it so took off one wheel/disc/drum to find the handbrake shoes were in good nic so I adjusted the adjuster out sufficiently to get the drum back on and then adjusted further out until the shoes where just scraping the drum, I did not back off the adjuster at all, and then did the same on the other side. The most difficult bit was trying to find the adjuster with each adjustment as its a fair way back in and the pissy little hole to look into and using the screwdriver in it. To engage the handbrake is now only a couple of clicks.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 17:57

Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 17:57
Hi Rod

Yes, a pain to adjust. New genuine shoes, adjusted up to lock and then just back a little. All lubed.
They have just been rubbish from the start. Lever pulls up to much no matter what I do.
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Reply By: Phil G - Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 22:25

Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 22:25
Lyndon,
The extended dogbone in Link 2 is what you want. Been around for a fair while and a lot of people say it fixes it. Quite a few versions of it on Ebay too LINK
I personally haven't fitted them - I find that regular adjustments of the handbrake at the wheel keeps it working OK
Terrain Tamer sell them too
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Reply By: RMD - Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 22:26

Saturday, Feb 08, 2020 at 22:26
Lyndon.
Are you really over it. If you had the flue and was over it, you would not then be bothered with the flue. With your brake problems you are sick and tired of it maybe, but not over it at all. Only when cured are you over it, similar to a hill.
If the hand brake system is all in good lubricated, ie dry lube in some areas, AND the shoes are adjusted AND all actuators are operating with their correct mechanical advantage I see no reason why the handbrake won't work. I had a HJ61, 60series, similar brakes and the handbrake would hold on the steepest of hills. Have not experienced the newer disc with inner drum performance.
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Follow Up By: Phil B (WA) - Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 07:31

Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 07:31
Hi RMD
Ive done as you suggest, even got new cables, made sure I had genuine shoes and so on. But it soon failed and I was back to no handbrake and adjusting again and again.


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Follow Up By: axle - Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 09:20

Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 09:20
RMD.

Are you Smokin again!..... Happy Days. ….LOL.




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Follow Up By: RMD - Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 11:20

Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 11:20
Axle
A few short years ago, suddenly in Australia, people started saying they were "over it" when actually meaning they were still annoyed or putting up with something. That expression raced through the community like wildfire and many people now say "over it" when they really mean exactly the opposite to that. All Back to Front. Probably originated from American talk which Aussies stupidly and readily adopt and are happy to dispense with the Australian way. SO, do say you are over the Flue when you are not. It might be quite important with Corona virus to get it expressed the right way around.

With any vehicle trouble, if it is still happening you can't be "over it", because it is still happening.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 11:29

Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 11:29
Phil B
If you had to adjust and adjust then either the country you were in was grinding away the shoes and making it out of adjustment OR the auto adjuster system wasn't working or the rotary wheel and screws were to tight , near seized, and stopping the auto adjust from being effective. Many do leave too much shoe to drum clearance. Dmax is the same.
With the cables. when new, need to have a Teflon lube oil run down the inside so it actually can get to the other end. That way they start with sufficient lube to be relatively friction free. I do that because sometimes when swimming with the 4wd it can get water into the cables and even when they have bellow seals on the ends water can remain and seized the cable to some degree. If it works when new then it should work all it's life if the same conditions are met.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 12:08

Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 12:08
Good to see your Woke to the times RMD.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 17:58

Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 17:58
Sorry RMD,

I'm over putting up with it. Hope that clarifies things.................
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 19:16

Sunday, Feb 09, 2020 at 19:16
Just ordered the Dogbone replacements. I'll post again with results.

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Follow Up By: Phil B (WA) - Monday, Feb 10, 2020 at 08:38

Monday, Feb 10, 2020 at 08:38
Thanks RMD, It happens while I'm in the city, the adjustment 'dies' away. But I'll look into lubing the cab;e
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