120 series Prado wheel bearings

Submitted: Saturday, Mar 07, 2020 at 14:36
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Preparing our Prado for an upcoming trip ie water pump, alt , Starter, belts etc wanting to know if anyone has done the wheel bearings ? Prado has done 207 k and 2007 model . They are a pack type so can buy bearings and press them in or an after market kit. After talking to a local supplier they don’t seem to sell many, any thoughts . Thanks.
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Reply By: RMD - Saturday, Mar 07, 2020 at 15:46

Saturday, Mar 07, 2020 at 15:46
Lincoln.
In the starter make sure the contacts of the solenoid switch are replaced. They burn stepped. In the geared section, use Teflon grease with Teflon/Nulon G70 transmission additive in any bushes or open bearing races. It makes them use much less power and crank speed is faster.
At 207,00 km I would be inspecting the wheel bearings very closely is reusing. Magnified close inspection of cone surface and every surface of every tapered roller. If not perfect discard/replace. If buying a bearing kit, make sure they are very reputable bearings, kits often use cheaper ones. Seals the same story. Kits may cause grief in the long term. Are your rears full floating hubs?
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Follow Up By: Member - Lyncol - Saturday, Mar 07, 2020 at 22:59

Saturday, Mar 07, 2020 at 22:59
Thanks RMD I’ll be putting anew alternator and starter on , as for the wheel bearings they are not cup and cone but roller bearings, seems they are maybe far better!
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Follow Up By: RMD - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 15:09

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 15:09
Lyncol. Cup and Cone ARE roller bearings. Tapered rollers fitted to a cone which runs in a cup. Are your s different to that?????
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Follow Up By: Member - Lyncol - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 23:19

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 23:19
Sorry RMD , but if you owned a 120 series Prado you should know they don’t have cup and cone bearings! All I wanted to know if anyone has changed them.
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Reply By: friar - Saturday, Mar 07, 2020 at 19:34

Saturday, Mar 07, 2020 at 19:34
I have a 2007 D4D with 360000 on it never replaced my bearings,talked to my mechanic before a trip up through the Savana Way to Darwin. Told me I worry to much,hoping when the time comes to do them I am at home.
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Follow Up By: Member - Lyncol - Saturday, Mar 07, 2020 at 23:03

Saturday, Mar 07, 2020 at 23:03
Hi friar looks like I’ve got another 160k . What sort of travelling do you do ie corrigation wise .
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 10:09

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 10:09
Friar .
You may need a new Mechanic .
I would be checking my front bearings every 100,000 km .
So easy and cheap to do , but so much pain if your in the middle of nowhere .

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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 10:50

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 10:50
How do you do a 100k check on sealed bearings? I'm serious. How do you do it beyond lifting the wheel and checking for free play? That could be done every wheel change/rotation, way more frequently than every 100k.
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 16:29

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 16:29
Fair enough Frank .

Didn’t realise they were a sealed bearing .

Thought they were the same as my HDJ100

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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 08:12

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 08:12
Hi Lincoln,

Are you a member of LCOOL, Landcruiser Owners On Line? It is free to join, and is a Forum for Landcruiser owners. There are separate sections for all the different Landcruiser models including Prado. It has lots of useful information about maintenance etc.

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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 21:31

Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 21:31
Pradopoint is also a good resource.
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Reply By: Ron N - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 12:06

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 12:06
The Prado uses a "Unit" style front wheel bearing, a cost-saving design which is becoming more common on newer vehicles. It's a common arrangement on the rear of many FWD cars.

The Unit style wheel bearing requires a workshop press and bearing separator for bearing replacement - and great care must be taken with the hub assembly, as it contains the wiring and the ring for the ABS.

Both the wiring and ABS ring require very careful handling to avoid damage to them. Damage either and you'll cost yourself a lot of $$'s and possibly require an ECU reset.

As general rule, most wheel bearings under average use conditions will last around 300-400,000 kms.

What shortens bearing life is constant high speeds, low quality or inadequate quantity of grease, water ingress, heavy dust conditions, heavy loads, and rough roads.

Surprisingly, being trucked long distances can also shorten bearing life, as the bearings receive constant road shocks at one position on their races.

This was particularly common in the 1930's, as new vehicles were trucked long distances on rough roads, and they used ball bearings for wheel bearings.
The change to roller bearings in wheel bearings reduced the problem, but roller bearings are not foolproof, either.

By far the greatest threat to wheel bearing lifespan is deep water. Most wheel bearing seals have dual lips for sealing, but water can still get through them, particularly if you drive into an extensive distance of cold deep water, with hot wheel hubs.

The hot hubs cool rapidly on contact with the deep water, and create a sudden vacuum inside the hub which assists in drawing in water.
Then, if the vehicle sits still for an extended period, corrosion pits will form on the surfaces of the bearing race or roller that only have a very light coating of grease.

A "crook" bearing will produce a constant rumble at speeds over about 20-30kmh, or a "chunk, chunk, chunk" sound as you're driving along, as the rollers run over a damaged section of the race, or as roller with a rust-pitted section, turns.
But even rust-damaged bearings will still last a considerable length of time, before they fail completely.

The second greatest cause of bearing failure is an inadequate amount of grease. Some manufacturers use only the bare minimum amount of grease, when assembling new bearings and hubs.

If your bearings are quiet, and have no movement in the hub (jack the vehicle up and rock the wheel back and forth, by holding it top and bottom), then they shouldn't need any attention.
Any movement in the hub indicates bearing wear is becoming excessive, and they need looking at.

But if you have been travelling at extended high speeds, on rough dusty roads, whilst heavily loaded - and transiting deep water crossings as well - then I'd suggest it would pay to examine them for bearing condition, and grease condition, if they have done over 200,000 kms.

If you do recondition them, remember to use high temperature, water-resistant grease suitable for disc brake wheel bearings.

The bloke in the video below has a pretty good video on Prado bearing replacement (despite his poor spelling abilities!).

Toyota 4WD unit wheel bearing replacement

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Member - Lyncol - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 23:25

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 23:25
Thanks Ron cheers
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Reply By: friar - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 14:07

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 14:07
My Tyres are starting to get a little noisy as they wear out,my mechanic drove it snaking it up the road loading up the bearings,no change in noise, he is a pretty switched on runs local RACQ Business,they get to experience with all types of vehicles,He used to own a Prado with high mileage.
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Reply By: friar - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 14:27

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 14:27
Just realised you asked about type of road use,at a guess,probably only about 10000 kys of gravel corrugated roads,mostly taxi picking up Grankids,lots of 1000 k trips to visit sister in law,always driving 1000k with a couple of coffee breaks,average 11 to 12 hours for the trips
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Follow Up By: Member - Lyncol - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 23:23

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 23:23
Evening friar thanks for the reply just interested in where you’ve taken your Prado,
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Reply By: andrew t - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 17:43

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 17:43
Hi Yes i have replaced the front bearings on my 120 series prado, there are 2 ways to do it buy the parts, bearing and 2 seals and seperate your drive flange from the hub assembly or buy a complete hub assembly.

https://www.machter.com.au/front-wheel-bearing-hub-assembly-for-toyota-prado?gclid=Cj0KCQiAqY3zBRDQARIsAJeCVxNBJGM4V3hQCbtlhN4IdCfh1w7BYwfsYMWfK7_L19duCMwpI0ZpJhYaAmzPEALw_wcB

https://www.sparesbox.com.au/part/drivetech-4x4-wheel-bearing-kit-front-dt-wbk14?gclid=Cj0KCQiAqY3zBRDQARIsAJeCVxMqyzAyLioK0zIwwvA3d-624dPTNWw4vkNTca0aHaQTZ854eCiRIyYaAr0KEALw_wcB

the two different items are shown, you will need a good press if you are going to strip them yourself however for the price of a complete hub assembly the price is still quite cheap and makes the job very quick. both sides can be done in a couple of hours taking it easy if you have some mechanical skills.
Happy to answer any questions if yoou need any advice . cheers and good luck.

We carried a bearing assembly with us for 2 years never used it and could not have changed it on the side of the road anyway. but when we did them at home, we put it to good use.
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Reply By: Ron N - Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 22:02

Sunday, Mar 08, 2020 at 22:02
If you want cheap genuine parts, try Partsouq.com.

They are based in the UAE and will provide you with the genuine part for your Jap vehicle at around 1/2 to 2/3rds the cost of anywhere else.

Best of all, they airfreight parts direct to you in about 5 or 6 days at low cost (most smaller parts are US$14 in freight cost).

They have online parts catalogues, just get your vehicle VIN and look for the part and part number.
When you find the P/No, click on it, and they will often have a clear photo (or more than one photo) of the part.

I've saved hundreds and hundreds of dollars by dealing with this mob. Beats the major price rorts we get here, particularly from dealers.

Where does their name come from? "Part" is pretty obvious, "Souq" is Arabic for "marketplace".

Just at a quick glance, I spotted complete, genuine Prado wheel hubs there, for US$81.09. Shipping is US$38.83, making the total US$119.92 = AU$180 approx.

You can buy non-genuine hubs much cheaper, but be aware they are Chinese, and use Chinese bearings, with the inevitable dodgy quality.

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 21:27

Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 21:27
Handy to know about your experience with partsouq Ron. I came across their site after I bought my Prado but wasn't sure about their credentials. Happy to support local businesses but for difficult to get parts and parts at ridiculous prices its good to have something to compare to.
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Reply By: Member - Lyncol - Monday, Mar 09, 2020 at 15:42

Monday, Mar 09, 2020 at 15:42
Thanks everyone for your input will inspect wheels next weekend when new tyres go on cheers.
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Reply By: qldcamper - Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 09:12

Thursday, Mar 12, 2020 at 09:12
Give yourself plenty of time between fitting all the new parts to actually leaving.
New parts can be faulty or if fitting is a little less than good.
I replaced my alternator at 200k and all ldlers. The bearings in them all felt as good as new.
Set out on a 10000km trip at 210k and the new heavy duty alternator failed electrically on the third day.
I opted not to take the old alternator along as a spare as i did everything else.
Luckily i was in longreach when the light failed to go out and picked up another new unit and fitted it myself, only cost me a couple of hours, but if it happened the next day we have been half way across the plenty.
New parts can fail too. They wouldnt need a warranty if they didnt.
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Follow Up By: Member - Lyncol - Friday, Mar 13, 2020 at 23:15

Friday, Mar 13, 2020 at 23:15
Thanks for your input qldcamper we aren’t leaving until June so will give everything a good run, I’ve carried a spare alternator for most of our trips so when I change this one it will still come with us lol! Being in the game if alt does die you basically stop on modern diesels. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Saturday, Mar 14, 2020 at 08:39

Saturday, Mar 14, 2020 at 08:39
If you're towing and you have a generator you can work around a failed alternator.

A few years ago my Prado alternator failed in the bush - a failed bearing in a Prado, so makes this post nearly on topic :-)

My hybrid van has a big battery, 360 Ah lithium. I fed power forward from an aux Anderson on the van battery through the Anderson on the Prado towbar and up to the front. I had set up the Prado electrics so I could manually over-ride the Redarc isolator, so the crank battery was now paralleled with the van. The car was now running on the van battery.

There was enough capacity in the van batteries to get us where we had to go, but as a further contingency I had planned to strap the generator onto the van's firewood rack and use it to run the van's 40 amp mains charger to top up as we drove.
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