Crank battery drain
Submitted: Sunday, Jun 21, 2020 at 09:12
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We have a merc sprinter ex Ambo (smart Alternator) the house battery is charged through redarc bc/dc charger from alternator when driving, combined 320w solar when
free camping or ctek when on power. However if we sit still either
free camp or on power crank battery drains in approx 3 weeks, battery is 12 mths old, and has been tested by Racq and local batteries as not faulty, have been to 3 auto electricians and our regular euro mechanic but cannon overcome issue, and suggestions welcome
Reply By: Mick O - Sunday, Jun 21, 2020 at 09:57
Sunday, Jun 21, 2020 at 09:57
It sounds like there is a parasitic drain somewhere. Have you used a multimetre to
test what is being drained from the battery when stationary?
The problem with ambulances and emergency vehicles in general is the amount of accessory wiring going to all manner of stuff. You would need to start running down individual connections and identify splices into the wiring looms.
A couple of thoughts. Is the vehicle alarmed and did it have a positioning system fitted in particular. Those use the mobile network so if the phone subscription was discontinued at the time of sale but the unit not removed or disconnected, the unit will still be polling for available networks and causes a big drain.
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Reply By: RMD - Sunday, Jun 21, 2020 at 10:38
Sunday, Jun 21, 2020 at 10:38
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Exactly what is the definition of FLAT? Is it flat, ie practically nothing or not quite enough to crank AND hold sufficient voltage while doing so to enable the ECU to provide injector pulses?
I have a DC DC unit and it sucks a small standby current from the main battery to stay awake ready for the main to begin increasing and then using charge voltage/current. I presume yours does as
well.
The ECU and other standard items draw a small ma current too. Then there is the items Mick suggested may be still there in the background. So after 3 weeks what is the state of the battery in real terms. Most vehicles will be a bit slow or very reluctant after 3 weeks of standing. Many people return
home after a few weeks away and find their town car battery has depleted to no crank stage and then gone further into discharge and stuffed the battery. Personally I would NEVER leave a battery on a circuit without some form of maintenance charging system attached if leaving for that period or longer. Do you really have a battery discharge problem? It should not be difficult to provide a small solar reg to assist the crank battery OR when on power a plug pack which dispenses 12v or a bit more and a few milliamps to keep the crank battery in top order.
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Reply By: noggins - Sunday, Jun 21, 2020 at 10:38
Sunday, Jun 21, 2020 at 10:38
Best option for the modern vehicle that can be parked up for weeks at a time is to fit a battery switch.
Looking at my
Ranger's workshop book they suggest disconnecting the battery if parked up for 3 weeks or more.
So it's not something new that the vehicle itself is a parasite draw on the battery.
Of course you could fit a small solar that connects independently to the vehicle battery similar to this
that would keep the prime battery charged.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/20W-12V-MONO-SOLAR-PANEL-REGULATOR-TRICKLE-BATTERY-CHARGER-RV-AGM-Complete-Kit/351927999144?hash=item51f08b1aa8:g:p8IAAOSw2zNcueW7
Or a 1/ 2 step controller so when the camper battery is charged it would divert the charge to the vehicle battery.
Similar to this
https://www.facebook.com/groups/mandurahbuyandsell/permalink/4034322306579700/?sale_post_id=4034322306579700.
I will admit I'm selling this one.
I had it on my
Ranger when I was away camping and not starting the ute for a few weeks at a time.
All power was fed in by 160W solar on the canopy and 2x120Ah batteries just running an Engel and 3 LED lights, so excess power was fed into the
Ranger's battery.
Ron
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Follow Up By: Mark C9 - Monday, Jun 22, 2020 at 08:13
Monday, Jun 22, 2020 at 08:13
Had the same with my bt50.
Returned from a few mths OS and it was flat as a tack
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Follow Up By: Pepper - Monday, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:13
Monday, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:13
Ron cannot open your post on mandura buy and sell ,can you provide details or link to the half step controller ?
Thankyou.
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Reply By: Hoyks - Sunday, Jun 21, 2020 at 12:54
Sunday, Jun 21, 2020 at 12:54
How are the chargers hooked up?
Is the DCDC wired into the ignition circuit, or just links the batteries when the voltage gets above a preset voltage?
You might consider hooking the solar and Ctek up to the starter battery so it keeps it at peak charge and then the DCDC can do it's thing keeping the house batteries charged. If input is cut off for any reason, then the house batteries may get run down, but the starter should still be good.
Of just have an extra Anderson plug hooked up to the starter battery and plug the solar panel or the Ctek in for a couple of hours each week.
I have a newish BT50 and the parasitic drain on that will see me not being able to start it after 2-3 weeks, even with a brand new battery and no one opening doors or anything. Only accessories are a dash cam and a UHF that's turned off. ECU's and the clock always need a tiny bit of power and are enough to drain a battery if left long enough.
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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Jun 22, 2020 at 09:41
Monday, Jun 22, 2020 at 09:41
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Hi 18,
When vehicles such as the Sprinter are converted to ambulances, extra lights are added and for convenience some of these are simply connected to the original wiring loom. Hence they are supplied from the original cranking battery. This is not a problem for an operational ambulance as they do not spend long periods with the engine shut down, however if camped for a number of days and using those lights, the cranking battery will become discharged.
An easy way to
check for this is to disconnect the main negative connection from the crank battery then try using lights. Any that now do NOT work must be have been supplied from the crank battery and should not be used with the motor off for lengthy periods. It may only be one or two lights but that would be enough to flatten the battery.
To overcome the problem, any such lights should not be used for camping or should be re-wired to the 'house' battery.
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Follow Up By: Member - mechpete - Monday, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:20
Monday, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:20
every thing non MBenz oem
is run off the aux battery under the bonnet
cheers mechpete
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Jun 22, 2020 at 13:21
Monday, Jun 22, 2020 at 13:21
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Mechpete,
In Victoria maybe, but not in my Queensland experience.
I found two internal lights powered from the existing OEM loom in my mate's ex-ambo Sprinter.
I was called upon when a shorted lamp holder took out the fuse.
All other additions were from the aux battery.
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