Toyo AT II in R18 are not LT
Submitted: Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 16:48
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CSeaJay
I found out with a shock today that my tires are not LT. I thought all of the Toyo AT II range is LT construction.
Well, it is for all sizes in R16, R17 but note for any size in R18
Go figure. That rules them out for most later model LC 200's for remote and tough conditions?
Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 16:59
Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 16:59
What exactly does "LT" mean?
As far as I am concerned, the only thing that counts is the load rating.
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Peter
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Follow Up By: bobsabobsa - Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 17:27
Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 17:27
Light Truck ,
heavier construction of side walls for extra load, eg: towing large trailers
a lot on google , Coopers Tires have a write up , how this stacks up against load rating I don't know.
I run a LT285 70 17 Kumho Adventure 10 ply with a 121 rating and a loud radio, but are they a heavier rating than a Passenger tyre ?
Bob
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Follow Up By: OzzieCruiser - Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 18:18
Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 18:18
Peter is correct at the end of the day it is the load rating that counts. It is true that LT generally means thicker sidewalls and generally a LT rated tyre of the same size Passenger rated tyre will have a higher rating. But a 125 load rated passenger rated tyre will be a stronger tyre than say a 120 load rated LT tyre.
The passenger rated tyre will have a more flexible sidewall so can dissipate heat better than a LT that has a stiffer sidewall - so in theory a passenger can go a bit lower pressure without over heating the sidewall but the downside (maybe) is that the walls balloon out a bit more
So it is important to understand what the numbers and letters mean - a LT is not necessarily a better tyre but in many circumstances it is.
The load rating for my vehicle is 109 and I run passenger rated tyres of about 120 load rating because my use is mainly onroad and occasionally offroad and they work
well - however if I was to pack up, load up the car more than I do and tow a wobble box around Aust I would probably look at something differently - but if aired down on corrugations with LTs I would be regularly checking temps of the sidewalls because they will not flex as
well as others.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 18:36
Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 18:36
I suggest that it is also worth understanding that the sidewalls of a tyre do pretty much nothing in terms of supporting the weight of a vehicle. That is done entirely by the air.
Let all the air out of a LT tyre to
check. It will be as flat as any tyre but those thick walls will not thank you for it. :(
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Peter
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 18:15
Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 18:15
"Heavy" (thicker or with extra plies) simply means they get hotter at low pressures (and even at highway pressures).
And I reckon "10 ply" is a totally meaningless description too, for a radial tyre. Might mean something for a cross ply 40 or 50 years ago, but you don't want to be driving on them unless you are in a bull catcher :)
I use "real" 'truck' tyres on the OKA. They have a load rating of 147 which translates to 3,075kg per tyre. They have a single steel sidewall ply, that is all, and are about as tough as they come. They don't add "LT " to the description though. :)
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Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - shane r1 - Saturday, Mar 06, 2021 at 09:55
Saturday, Mar 06, 2021 at 09:55
Yep you said it
They don’t add LT, because they are “real “ truck tyres
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Shane
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 23:58
Friday, Mar 05, 2021 at 23:58
If it is all or only about load rating, then why is the ATII with the same load rating in R16 and R17 rated as an LT but the 18 is not? I emailed them, they just confirmed the 17 is but the 18’s are not rated LT
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Saturday, Mar 06, 2021 at 09:33
Saturday, Mar 06, 2021 at 09:33
So did they tell you what it means?
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Peter
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Follow Up By: RMD - Saturday, Mar 06, 2021 at 22:58
Saturday, Mar 06, 2021 at 22:58
Maybe the reason for not being LT rated is because, as Peter mentioned, the 18 " rim for the same OD tyre has less AIR under the rim to hold it up off the ground. If going to 18"/ 65 aspect it then has around 12 to 13 mm additional under the rim and so could easily be the reason for a higher rating. A 17" rim with the same OD as the 18" rim fitted with a 60 aspect tyre, will also have MORE AIR under the tyre to carry load. Also better if used on corrugated roads with a degree of deflating. Hitting/bottoming to the rim isn't good for tyres. Not sure what I will do when buying a new vehicle. I certainly do not want 18" rims.
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Reply By: Bazooka - Saturday, Mar 06, 2021 at 17:37
Saturday, Mar 06, 2021 at 17:37
As I commented on previous tyre threads CSJ, there are very limited LT options for some 18" wheel sizes (I'm specifically interested in the Prado standard 265/60R18). At least one seller was still advertising the Toyo AT2 as LT in that size despite me advising them that this was incorrect - after clarifying with Toyo Au.
There are more LT's available in 265/65R18 but I have zero interest in going wider and heavier. There's a significant difference in load and speed ratings for non-"LT".
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Reply By: Ian M47 - Saturday, Mar 06, 2021 at 21:33
Saturday, Mar 06, 2021 at 21:33
I also got caught out with this. My tyre retailer assured me I was getting LT rated tyres (Toyo AT11. 285/60/18) but after they were fitted I noted, after getting
home that they were not LT. They are, however rated XL (extra load) and have a higher load rating as others have noted. They have this load at a lower tyre pressure than the LT rated tyres.
I remained sceptical but after a trip to South Australia involving the Strezlecki Track (both ways due to covid), the
Oodnadatta track and
the painted desert towing a 20 foot Bushtracker I was very happy with their performance. We'll see how they handle the
Outback way in a couple of months.
I had the same issue on my previous vehicle a LandRover Discovery. There were no LT tyres available until Maxxis introduced the Bravo LT AT in 255/55/19.
I had good performance from Hankook XL tyres.
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Ian M
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Reply By: Member - Warren H - Saturday, Mar 06, 2021 at 21:59
Saturday, Mar 06, 2021 at 21:59
Ditto for Bridgestone Dueler 697's
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Reply By: Noel L2 - Sunday, Mar 07, 2021 at 21:33
Sunday, Mar 07, 2021 at 21:33
Generally.... one has to go to 65 profile (from 60 on the 285 18 200 series fitting) to get more tyre options that are "LT" ...... lots of people driving around on passenger construction "AT's not knowing any different. Generally.... tread will be a few mm less.... and tyre about 5kg lighter.
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