Vitrifrigo DP 150 l

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We have one of these fridges in our van and it wants to run continuously
Had the gas level checked twice and it is ok
Keeps everything cold
With it running 24/7 it is hard on battery power

Any clues on the problem

A J
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 14:26

Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 14:26
Hi AJ,

A little more information required please. Are you running it on 12 volt or 240 volt? Is the fridge full or empty? What are the ambient conditions like where you are located? How long has it been running for?

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Follow Up By: Member - A J - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:14

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:14
thanks for your reply

The vitifrigo fridges runs on 12 volts and the electrical wiring and battery management system has been check out by an auto electrician.
The operation of the fridge did not change over a 5 week trip to Tasmania so at times it was full and other nearly empty depending on the day. But never over full.
Temperature varied from 3 degrees to high 20,s
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Reply By: Member - Jim S1 - Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 14:44

Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 14:44
Hello AJ

We don't have your type of fridge, but I found this and it may or may not be helpful.

"We have a 230L Vitrifrigo which has a Danfoss BD50F compressor working unit and have been through a similar set of symptoms. Your issue is very likely to be either thermostat or low gas. Start with the thermostat, replacing it may fix the problem and if that is the case it is quick and easy. However if your fridge is 4 years + old I suspect it may need a gas recharge. Go carefully here and don't let any old fridge mechanic tackle it. Find someone who has experience with RV refrigeration - the trick is that you can overcharge these units i.e. over-gas them and you will have a fridge that never switches off. A thorough refrigeration mechanic will want to remove the fridge from the van (in our case once through the bedroom window and once through the door opening after the door was removed) and put it on the bench for two or three days under instrument testing. What he is doing here is making sure the new gas charge is the right volume and that the fridge gets to the set temperature quickly AND SWITCHES OFF. The Danfoss BD50F unit is very high quality and has a good name in the industry. "

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Follow Up By: RMD - Saturday, Mar 13, 2021 at 16:54

Saturday, Mar 13, 2021 at 16:54
Just re read the above.
The fridge is a SEALED system and should never/will not require regassing. If it has lost gas it has a definite leak problem. Any decent fridge person should know what amount and type of gas to replace into the fridge system AFTER the leak fault has been found and fixed and confirmed as fixed. To have to do it twice on the bench after removal from van is troubling. Testing it "on bench" proves it works on bench, but other factors in a van may be the issue, ie, no cooling airflow for the condenser section of the fridge. there may be other issue too.
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Follow Up By: Member - A J - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:21

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:21
thanks for your post

When we were in Tasmania we had it checked out by a fridge mechanic who advised the gas was ok and the thermostat was working.

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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 15:25

Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 15:25
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There is a possibility that the thermostat is set too low and the fridge is running continuously trying to maintain that low temperature. The ideal temperature in the cabinet is 5 or 6 degrees.
The other possibility is that the thermostat has gone faulty causing the fridge to run continuously.

In both of these cases with the fridge running continuously, the cabinet temperature is likely to get down close to 0 degrees but will not go lower even with the motor running due to natural losses and the limitations of the refrigeration process. It just keeps running without further cooling.

So, check your cabinet temperature with a thermometer and if it is too low try raising the thermostat setting. If you don't have a thermometer, slowly raise the thermostat setting until the motor stops then leave it at that setting. After a time the motor should start again and begin regular cycling. If so, wait for a couple of hours to see if the cabinet is cold enough.

It is also possible that your fridge has lost some refrigerant and is operating inefficiently such that it is running continuously to try and reach the normal temperature. If this is the case then it will continue to lose refrigerant until it is unable to get the temperature down. Also possible (but unlikely) that the compressor is ailing. In either case it will need the attention of a refrigeration mechanic. You do say that you "Had the gas level checked twice and it is ok." Who actually "checked the gas level"? Was it a qualified refrigeration serviceman and what explanation did he give you for its faulty performance?

One final possibility I can think of is that you may not be getting sufficient electrical power to the fridge thus causing inefficient compressor operation. This could be because of inadequate wiring or a poor electrical connection in the circuit reducing power to the compressor. This could be checked by observing the voltage at the input to the compressor while the fridge is actually running. It should be at least 12.0 volts. Any reading with the motor stopped would be meaningless.



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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 19:44

Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 19:44
Agree with pretty much everything Allan has suggested with the exception of the internal operating temp. Australian Food Standards recommend 3 to 4 degrees for refrigerator temp.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 20:18

Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 20:18
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Oh, thanks Macca. I thought that it was 6 degrees max.
I must adjust our setting forthwith.
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Follow Up By: Member - A J - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:28

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:28
Thanks for your reply

I will get two fridge thermometers and monitor the temperature in the fridge and the freezer whilst having the thermostat set at different positions.

I am of the opinion that fridge will stay at the same temperature regardless of the setting

Will get back to you when testing has been completed

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Follow Up By: Member - A J - Friday, Apr 16, 2021 at 07:17

Friday, Apr 16, 2021 at 07:17
Allan,

It has taken a while to test this fridge but here is what I found

The van has been stored in a shed which has a skillion roof going from 4 metres to 3 metres.
Floor area is 14.3 metres by 10 metres - so there is plenty of air over the van which is 2.7 meters except for the air conditioning unit.

The thermostat is located behind the vegetable crisper. One o'clock being off and 11 o'clock max

first test results after 24 hours on each setting (time indicating setting on thermostat )

3 o'clock 5.5 degrees in the cabinet -15.4 in the freezer
6 o'clock 1.7 degrees in the cabinet - 17.8 in the freezer
9 o'clock 3.1 cabinet -17.2 freezer

then carried out further testing

1 o'clock 6 and -16
2 o'clock 6 and -12
3 o'clock 5 and -13
4 o'clock 4.2 and -19.2
5 o'clock 5.8 and -16.7
6 o'clock 5 and -17
7 o'clock 5.5 and -17.6
8 o'clock 6.2 and -16.5
9 o'clock 6 and -15.9
10 o'clock 6 and -15
11 o'clock 1 and -18

Each reading was taken at 9.00 am

I am of the opinion that it could be the thermostat problem


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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Friday, Apr 16, 2021 at 11:36

Friday, Apr 16, 2021 at 11:36
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Hi AJ, thanks for going to all that trouble.

In order to assess it better I plotted the data. See below.

I presume your fridge is a single door with the freezer within the main chamber. In this arrangement the cabinet obtains its cooling from the freezer to which the the thermostat is attached. Consequently there is a natural relationship between the freezer and chamber temperatures and this is generally so in your data with the exception of the "1 o'clock" thermostat dial setting but this may be spurious data.
Even so, I would expect to see a regular gradient relationship between the dial setting and the temperature but this is not the case and maybe caused by mechanical faults of the thermostat mechanism. Your opinion of thermostat problem is probably correct.

The fridge appears to be achieving the design temperatures but there is no indication of compressor behaviour. Does the motor cycle or is it running continuously? In these moderate temperatures and without loading/removing contents it certainly should be operating on approx. 30% duty cycle. If running continuously it would indicate a problem with the compressor/refrigerant.


EDIT: I have just observed that your fridge model is in the thread heading and is in fact a 2 door model with two evaporators. Even so, there is still a "natural relationship" between the freezer and refrigeration chamber temperatures with control being from the thermostat bulb being attached to the chamber evaporator. It changes nothing from my comments above.




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Follow Up By: Member - A J - Friday, Apr 16, 2021 at 11:58

Friday, Apr 16, 2021 at 11:58
Allan

Thanks for your reply.

The fridge is a two door door with approximately 18 litres of freezer and 130 litres of fridge.

During measuring the above temperatures only the fridge door would be opened to adjust the thermostat.

Ice was forming on the back evaporator plate down to the bottom of the two points but no further ( hope that makes sense )

The fridge was operating most times I was there.

It does stop at times but starts up again also instantly.


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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Friday, Apr 16, 2021 at 12:48

Friday, Apr 16, 2021 at 12:48
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AJ,

Ice forming on part of the evaporator rather than frost over the whole of the evaporator can be an indication of refrigerant shortage.

Inadequate refrigerant will also cause an increase in motor run time.
And it is also possible that low refrigerant could cause what appears as a faulty thermostat.

Yes, I know that you have had opinions of satisfactory refrigerant but the evidence is compelling.

Leak testing can be ineffective if significant refrigerant has been lost and the pressure is low.
Small domestic sealed-unit refrigerators are usually not equiped with valves for convenient connection of diagnostic gauges and it is usual to simply evacuate the system and refill with the prescribed quantity of refrigerant. This is then followed by thorough leak testing using appropriate instruments. If a leak is identified and repaired then a repeat evacuation and refill is necessary. I am sorry to inform that the cost of this can approach replacement of the whole fridge.
I suggest that you need the services of a competent refrigeration mechanic but obtain a cost estimate before proceeding with repair.
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Follow Up By: Member - A J - Friday, Apr 16, 2021 at 18:05

Friday, Apr 16, 2021 at 18:05
Allan - thank you for your time with this problem.

I will search for a good refrigeration mechanic starting with the caravan repair industry for potential contacts, also builders of caravans in south Qld

Thanks again


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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Friday, Apr 16, 2021 at 18:50

Friday, Apr 16, 2021 at 18:50
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Allen, I would not seek advice from "builders of caravans" as they have no specific experience in servicing refrigerators.

Although I have no direct experience FreezeTec in Cleveland specialise in caravan and marine fridge repair. They claim to be established since 1989 so must be doing something right.
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Reply By: RMD - Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 17:08

Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 17:08
I second what Alan has said above.
A bit puzzled though with the "had the gas level checked twice". There is no gas level at all in a fridge, but a quantity of gas in the system, it is everywhere in the system. As indicated, it could be low or too much and usually at service, ALL gas is drawn out and the correct quantity for that device injected back in to the vacuum of the system. WAS that done? So unless the "agent" took it out and replaced the correct quantity of it with the necessary equipment I can't see how a LEVEL can be determined. Maybe, if there are ports fitted, some before and after pressures can be read on gauges which may indicate it is working.
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Reply By: Darian - Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 22:30

Friday, Mar 12, 2021 at 22:30
For what it is worth, ours has been good over 11 years with no repairs or servicing. The only mods I’ve done is to install a couple of fans to stir up air movement inside, the theory being that the cold air produced needs to get across the thermostat. It’s easy for fridge content to shield the thermostat to some extent (in my view). I have a quite small 12 volt computer fan that is wired to the compressor supply and comes on with that. Also a small 3 volt battery powered fan that runs full time. Both can be positioned wherever is convenient, and likely to best circulate the air. Oh...and...I have also put a wire barrier in front of the thermostat dial so that fridge content can’t rub up against it while mobile.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Saturday, Mar 13, 2021 at 14:11

Saturday, Mar 13, 2021 at 14:11
Smart thinking Darian. Most don't really look at or understand what is necessary for cooling and control, obviously you do!
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Mar 13, 2021 at 15:20

Saturday, Mar 13, 2021 at 15:20
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Nice, but slightly flawed idea Darian.
The Vitrifrigo, as is usual, has the thermostat control mounted in a 'convenient' location in the chamber space but the sensor that actually measures the temperature is mounted on the evaporator. The two are connected with a thin capillary tube. Accordingly, the thermostat sensing point cannot be "shielded" by fridge content.
I imagine it possible but unlikely that the thermostat dial could be displaced by content movement. Most thermostats are fairly stiff and have recessed knobs.

However, irregular temperature zones do occur in a refrigerator chamber due to the placement of the evaporator and the regions of temperature loss/gain, namely the walls of the chamber. To this end a small fan to circulate the chilled air can be to the benefit of the contents. This is now common in most domestic fridges and often referred to as being "fan-forced cooling". It is best positioned to draw air from the evaporator zone and direct it downward through the fridge.
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Reply By: GUJim - Saturday, Mar 13, 2021 at 09:36

Saturday, Mar 13, 2021 at 09:36
These fridges are not 'T' rated so tend to struggle in Australian conditions.
For that reason I replaced ours with a Samsung 240V inverter fridge running on a Victron 375W inverter. Problems solved!
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Reply By: GUJim - Saturday, Mar 13, 2021 at 09:37

Saturday, Mar 13, 2021 at 09:37
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Reply By: Dean K3 - Tuesday, Mar 16, 2021 at 19:32

Tuesday, Mar 16, 2021 at 19:32
How much ventilation space has been given behind the fridge ?

From what I can gather they supposed to work in relation to outside ambient temperature hotter it is harder they work and subsequently burn out compressor

Folks have a small Engel 12/240 fitted into their camper with next to no air movement space behind it. Constantly running even on a mild 25 degree day in Nannup WA (southern area east Busselton)

I spoke to Engel and they have me a bit of info in regards to installation, mentioned in fine print for a built in unit 30cm back clearance and smaller amount to sides.

sure enough fridge worked fine on bench. once installed it ran continuously.

I then spoke to a knowledgeable Engel dealer who advised minimum of 30cm (same info twice) upon discussion of lack of airflow.

Installed a small fan 24 v 50mm computer size to assist circulate air plus a air vent (benchtop grill) from hafele which assisted air exit from top, and same grill below the fridge in cupboard below to act as a up draught (hot air rises)

Folks took van over east and at wilpena pound had same issue (2018 ?).

Prior to next trip last year up north (WA) post inter regional travel restrictions had a massive 75mm fan and hole installed -and low behold fridge ran perfectly even without the ventilation fans running.
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Follow Up By: Member - A J - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:37

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:37
Thanks for your reply

The fridge was installed by a caravan building business with over 20 years experience in the industry.

It has ventilation on the floor at the front of the unit and up one side into the main interior of the van.


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