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The following is a response to a complaint of limp mode in vehicles being dangerous. Taken from another site with the authors permission. Couldnt agree more.

The car doesnt put you into a life threatening situation, you do.
Going into areas when the weather conditions are deadly is the threat, most people that go into these areas do it because they want to, not need to, and do it under prepaired because they rely on their vehicle providing the life supporting conditions they need with little thought what could happen if one of hundreds of parts their car consists of fails.
There should be a remote area rating for licenses and a course to make average Joe aware how easy it is to die out there and the suffering you will endure in the as little as 2 days it takes, before they just retire, buy their first second hand 4wd and set off to see the pilbara or the like in January.
Everyone working in the Pilbara this time of year are waiting to hear of the first deaths and wonder how many there are going to be this season.
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Reply By: Member - 2208mate - Monday, Sep 05, 2022 at 09:31

Monday, Sep 05, 2022 at 09:31
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Reply By: Bazooka - Monday, Sep 05, 2022 at 10:13

Monday, Sep 05, 2022 at 10:13
Sounds like the author suffers 'cotton wool' or 'everyone else' syndrome. Even the most knowledgeable and very best prepared can come unstuck. The great Malcolm Douglas was one such, as was Steve Irwin in another environment. These people were "lucky" :Talawana Track Fire, as were the well-prepared Zavros family.


It's an old argument - how much preparedness, knowledge and repair skill is enough? How many spares do you need to carry? How much medical knowledge should you have? Should only mechanics with SAS level survival skills be permitted to drive in remote areas?

Like snake and shark deaths etc, dangers exist but are MASSIVELY exaggerated by some.

Whether limp mode adds to the risks is questionable but I can say unequivocally that when I was looking for a replacement vehicle a few years ago one of the reasons I didn't consider a Ford Everest was the Ad Blue limp mode - as unlikely as running out or damaging the reservoir was.

Let's face it. In raw numbers, it's far more dangerous to drive on city streets and highways, work on farms etc - and even more dangerous to sit around doing nothing. Come to think of it, it's also more dangerous to live in the country due to a relative lack of local support systems.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, Sep 05, 2022 at 10:49

Monday, Sep 05, 2022 at 10:49
I agree 100 % Bazooka. What we don't need is more government control over our lives. Some people take risks because they are brave, some because they are not so smart and some because they like the challenge, but we still need to let everyone live their lives the way they want to a degree. I prefer to see more safety awareness in all aspects of towing caravans. I don't think that is conveyed very well to the new caravanner. I don't mean a three day course, just good detailed easy to understand information that covers every safety area would be a start. Michael
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Reply By: Member Kerry W (Qld) - Monday, Sep 05, 2022 at 13:04

Monday, Sep 05, 2022 at 13:04
Who puts who in danger? Limp mode?
OK Ill bite... a bit long winded - but dont expect any solutions or 100% relevance to every case out there and we dont need any more "regulations" but....

There you have it - the "average Joe"!! Joe these days is quite isolated from nature, the land, practical endeavours, and true adventure. It may be too harsh stating they go because they "want" to rather than "need" to. I'm all to aware they have a choice. Im going to be a bit analyitical here but 30 odd years ago I spent 10 years running outdoor adventure programmes and therapeutic diversionary programmes for Offenders, Youth at risk, special schools and families in crisis. While I could write a book on the therapeutic value of wilderness experiences....especially de-stressing people, but also in teaching young people the skills and abilities they will need as well balanced adults. Most city people never really get the chance to grow up with this stuff.

The point here is that more and more people are escaping the cluttered urban environment and all its stress, structure and confusion for ones soul/psyche to "get away from it all". It is just how far one has to go now to escape "everything" - remote areas tick quite a few boxes for what I'd now call it a need! (To be alone/away from distractions/ to be in AWE of nature or whatever else a person calls "some headspace").

Judging by the mental health crisis modern society is experiencing and unprecedented suicide rates - many people really do need to get out of the city for their own health and wellbeing! I have always maintained that Adventure is a basic human need in terms of mental health, learning experiences and becoming a balanced and competent adult human being. The problems we are seeing here relate to these would be adventurers having started a bit late in their development.

So what is putting "average joe" into a life threatening situation - really?

1/ Overinflated confidence in their vehicle - as television marketing and advertising makes the vehicles look far more capable and reliable than they are and the purchaser knows no different.
2/ A lack of preparing or "knowing" their vehicle, basic mechanical nouse or an understanding of the basic laws of Physics. ("Hey that looks a bit heavy/this thing can handle corrugations/...but they said x psi in the tyres would be ok etc etc)
3/ Most importantly a very limited knowledge of themselves. This often relates to individuals making bad calls, not knowing their own capabilities and limitations or simply not being able to think things through.
4/ Time issues - they rush, can't relax and dont know when to stop!

You cant stop people from having freedom and you can't make the bush safe and vehicles will always have problems at the worst time according to Murphys Law.....and we dont need more rules.
The fix?
Personally I dont think there is a humane solution - too many people, too much propaganda in advertising, too few open and unstructured places near towns left now for people get away from it all close to home. Hence they go remote.

Training courses FOR SOME would help but some competencies and behaviours are acquired at an early age through play and experiences.
Remaining calm in a crisis, having faith in oneself, improvising , bush mechanical skills, lateral thinking and making good calls are things not easily taught in a few days on a 4wd course...

People just need to get their kids out a lot more and be good practical mentors so the next generation is a bit smarter when in the bush.

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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 10:05

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 10:05
"our" generation seemed to have had more information handed down, and people grew up learning from their parents and others. I meet a fair few younger people these days out bush and up the beach who have had no parental or other style of learning and therefore they lack even the basics. Good on them for being there, I'll never knock them, but some of the simple things that turn into show stoppers for them have to be seen to be believed. The other half of them believe the social media clowns and assume that if your aren't in a new $130K cruiser on 35's you aren't getting to the top of Fraser island. Access to unlimited information these days is clearly not creating super educated humans.
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Reply By: Member - John - Monday, Sep 05, 2022 at 17:23

Monday, Sep 05, 2022 at 17:23
I wouldn't go anywhere without a code reader for your vehicle, you never know when your vehicle will throw a code and put you into limp mode, whether it be in the middle of the Canning or Main Street in any city, at least you have the ability to check and reset the code and MAYBE get going again, without having to call the Rescue or service company.
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Follow Up By: Kenell - Monday, Sep 05, 2022 at 18:06

Monday, Sep 05, 2022 at 18:06
Glad you responded John. I thought I was the only one misunderstanding the whole concept of what "limp mode" is.

I drive a very well maintained vehicle but that didn't stop it going into limp mode in a place where it could have had dire consequences. We were only 10 mins out of Wagga Wagga and luckily no one was following close behind. Whilst I didn't have a code reader I was able to disconnect the battery and reset the code.

Not sure I could have done much to either prevent it or avoid it. A good Samaritan stopped to help and offered to follow me and keep in radio contact until it became apparent the issue wasn't going to repeat.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 10:44

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 10:44
I would never buy any vehicle with a DPF...tHOUSANDS ARE CAUGHT OUT EVERY YEAR BY A SUDDEN LIMP MODE....
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Follow Up By: Kenell - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 10:55

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 10:55
Bigfish, my car is pre dpf and the issue was one of the other numerous reasons they go into limp mode. In my experience the later dpf models are much more reliable than (some) of the earlier models.
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Reply By: Member - Bigfish - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 10:45

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 10:45
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 13:28

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 13:28
So many stereotypes and so much hyperbole in that rubbish it's hard to know where to start Bf. Yes some extremes do exist but media sensationalism (and the gullibility of readers/viewers) has a lot to answer for.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 13:48

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 13:48
Look up the words "sarcasm" and in the dictionary Bazooka. Taking the piss out of our way of life is just a very Australian way of life. Unless of course your a prude and politically correct.

It was a joke.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 14:43

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 14:43
A joke I don't get Bf. You'll have to explain it to me. You might have been, but the bloke who wrote it wasn't being sarcastic, and obviously doesn't understand the delicious irony in his actions either.

Way off topic but that twaddle is straight out of rw/social media playbooks. There's a whole lot more like it which attempts to fool the credulous into thinking that's the way things really are. Same way certain members of the last govt suggested teachers were undermining our traditional Xmas and other "Christian values" (when it was clear that they had the patent).

One of the funniest examples I saw was a certain ex-ABC journalist - first name Chris - complaining about the Vic public service's use of the word "folk" (despite having used it many times himself). Rightly got torn a new one on the inane social media platform he uses. Google it and have a good belly laugh. Same bloke suggested (apparently seriously) that the good folk (my humour) of Ross River didn't deserve having a virus named after their locality. There's obviously lots of hyperbolic, hypocritical horse-manure out there attempting to lure and fool the more gullible. For some reason I rarely find any of it humorous.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 15:22

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 15:22
I reckon you,d be the whinging neighbour from hell Bazooka...
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 16:16

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2022 at 16:16
Because I suggested that "joke" was stereotypical and fictional garbage lacking in humourBf ? You're a hard man, and a bad judge if I may say so. That last bit of ad hominem tickled one bloke's fancy I see. Not unexpected.
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