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Submitted: Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 13:46
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The new Toyota Kluger comes with windows that are illegal according to ADR's...

In that yota are using a dark glass for all windows behind the driver, that is the wrong side of the legal 35% light that must be let in by window tint (They are using glass tinted to 20% light!).

Goes along with the Jeep with spotties on the roofracks - we cant do it as its illegal, but they can...

what gives here?
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Reply By: Bluegeorge - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 15:46

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 15:46
How would insurance react if push came to shove? E.g: In a collision the bloke you hit say's " he probably couldn't see me through his tinted windows..."

We all know insurance companies will try anything 500 times if they can get out of paying.

Blue
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 17:00

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 17:00
Truckster, I am in the same boat as you. Most of our Court Rulings are based on precedence, Jeep & Toyota have set a precedence, but yes, if we do it, it's wrong.

I often wonder if the guy who is in charge of the imported stuff is at lunch when they open the containers and drive the buggers out.

Reminds me years ago up at Peterborough at the meatworks. Got a contract to supply Muslim countries with S A killed meat, as long as the carcass was blessed.

The carcass would come along on the hooks, and this little guy would say a prayer or something, then apply his little blue stamp to the carcass.

Used to hold up the whole meatworks. Solution.... everytime he went for a plss or something, the guys would grab his stamp and stamp everthing while he was away........ true story!

Cheers

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 17:36

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 17:36
Now they play a recording
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Follow Up By: Member - glenno (QLD) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 18:08

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 18:08
Imported vehicles are shiped over on what is called a (roll on roll off vessel IE TAMPA). They do not come in containers . just thought you would like this info .
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Reply By: mr diamond - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 17:38

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 17:38
i might be wrong but dosnt the adr say 35% light blockage meaning it can only block 35% so wouldnt 20% be legal??
i havnt got my adr book anymore
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 18:08

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 18:08
Other way round, it has to let in 35% this is only letting in 20%
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Follow Up By: mr diamond - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 20:48

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 20:48
Vehicle Standards Information No. 2

Window Tinting

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Windscreen
Windscreens fitted to motor vehicles manufactured before July 1971 must transmit at least 70% of visible light. All other motor vehicles must comply with Australian Design Rule (ADR) 8/00 which requires the windscreen to have a light transmittance of at least 75%. However, only windscreens tinted during the manufacturing process are acceptable.
Note: It is permissible for windscreens to have tinted bands of less than 75% light transmittance above the primary vision area. In cases where this band is more than 65mm deep, and extends into the wiper arc area or beyond the top 10% of the windscreen height, evidence may be required to show that the tint does not extend into the primary vision area as defined in Australian Design Rule No 8 - Safety Glass

However it is desirable that the light transmittance of windows to the side and ahead of the driver is not reduced below 70 per cent.
Note: Windows above or behind the driver's seating position on some buses are not in the drivers field of view and need not comply with the above light transmittance requirement.
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Reply By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 17:57

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 17:57
For windows that are behind the driver there is no limit on tinting. You can paint them black if you want. Then it would be just like driving a pantech truck or a panel van. No problem. How many cars do you see in summer with towels wedged in the back door providing shade for the littlies.

The issue is that the windscreen cannot be tinted at all and the front side windows must not block more than 35% of light falling on them.

Prado Grande is the same. Really dark tint on the back door windows.

As to the other point, it does seem the case that if something such as roof rail mounted lights were factory fitted it is legal but you can't fit the same thing aftermarket. That seems just stoooopid to me!

Muddy
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 18:09

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 18:09
Muddy.. Thats ONLY in SOUTH AUSTRALIA.

Rest of the country is normal.. 35% or better light inside.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 19:07

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 19:07
Muddy, That would make sense, as my surf obviously had to go over the pits before it was licensed here in WA and it has factory tint in the back cargo area (side and back windows) extremely dark, so that you cannot even see inisde the vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 14:50

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 14:50
Also, my wife drive a brand new BA falcon wagon for work, it's rear (cargo) windows are black tint and cannot be seen through.
Also, what abou limo's???
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Reply By: muppo - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 17:59

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 17:59
Truckster that ADR only applies to the two front door windows, all other windows can be black as long as left hand rearveiw is fitted. Oh of coarse the windscreen has to be clear.
Jeeps roof lights are legal because they have a disclaimer sticker on the switch alerting the driver that the lights can only be used off road.
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 18:05

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 18:05
"eeps roof lights are legal because they have a disclaimer sticker on the switch alerting the driver that the lights can only be used off road."

Without signing on the dotted line, can we take this as gospel?

I have emailed the RAA and Dept of Transport here in Adelaide, yep........ no answer.....

Very bold call on behalf of Jeep. Wouldn't hold water if push come to shove.

I am geniunely interested as to how this pans out, because I have heard SO MANY different stories regarding lights above the roofline, and hey...... even the Traffic Police here in Adelaide DID NOT KNOW THE ANSWER when I went in and asked personally.

Thank you for you info, please keep us up to date if you find out more.

Cheers

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 18:10

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 18:10
Muppo,
Your wrong - Except for South Australia.

We had a club member (victoria) who is also member of Pajero club come to club last night and give a talk on it.

ALL windows have to let in 35% light. EVERYONE of them.
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Reply By: muppo - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 18:17

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 18:17
How do refrigerated Hiaces get away with it then, their conversions come with ADR compliance.
and as for they jeep I have driven one and seen it for myself.
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 18:22

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 18:22
Muppo, cheers for the Jeep info!

A guy next to my workshop bought a GQ from Darwin not long ago, had to put it over the pit here at the Dept Transportation. They ripped the tinting off the 2 front side windows........ too dark. They simply just sat inside it with a light meter, under fluro's, and said"Off it comes mate!"

There always seems to be disparity between states.

Cheers

"I've got CIA tint on my windows" Wolfie
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Reply By: Member - Bernie. (Vic) - Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 22:44

Thursday, Jul 08, 2004 at 22:44
Rules give you the sh**s beat this.
Cannot get a "G" registration (Commercial) on the Prado argued up to the superviser at Vic Roads for 2 Hrs, because the manufacturer states the vehicle class.
It has only 2 maybe 3rd seat if needed because of _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx shelves etc ,
basically its the same as a ute with a canopy & 2 extra doors.
Has a heavier load capacity (770 Kg) & can tow more than a hilux twin cab
(oh no thats a ute) they say.
Ok you can put a "COURIER" sticker (get Bl **** real) on it like they do with Pis** 2 door sedans work that one out.

Just my beef for today
Cheers
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Reply By: rolande- Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 08:52

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 08:52
Has anyone looked closely at the windscreen of the Renault Scenic 4X4, if that is not illegal I'll go heave!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 17:14

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 17:14
these were some of his points...

how can new cars get away with it?? when he cant??
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Reply By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 13:50

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 13:50
South Australia = No limit on rear tinting, 3,6,9 or 12month rego's, no pit examinations every rego... etc etc etc.....

Because we can be trusted to do the right thing with our vehicles we dont get treated with contempt.....
When we start neglecting our vehicles,,, we will prob have to do the same as Victorians.......
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