roof rack tie downs

Submitted: Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 09:07
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Morning

can anyone advise of ways to tie down plastic water bottles to roof rack please??

Have thought of occy straps, ratchet straps or I think they are called just straps?

They are only15 litre square water containers, so don't stand very tall in roof rack.

Thanks everyone.....

Very chilly in Murwillumbah this morning

Shaz
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Reply By: rolande- Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 09:15

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 09:15
Shaz,
Do you have an alternative??? Lots of weight in 3 - 4 of these high up on vehicle. If no alternative, find a basket to bolt on or a sheet of wood etc. Drill holes through to bolt / tie down then use several ratchet ties to keep all in place, (so that bottles have a flat surface to sit on).
Still think putting other stuff up there and water lower in vehicle a much better option though.
Hope this helps
rolande
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 09:16

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 09:16
Hi Shaz:

I am aware that you can buy brackets for "jerry can" style containers, but am not sure about the square ones. I carry jerry can types on my roof rack and just loop ratchet tie downs over them and they stay put. I do have other stuff packed around them, however to help secure them.

With square ones I would imagaine it is possible to run the tie downs through the carry handle part to secure them pretty well. I think occy straps have a bit too much "give" in them, given the weight of each container. Plus, if an occy strap "lets go" and you are close by, the results can be pretty nasty.

In all these cases I guess all you can hope to do is secure them for a normal set of driving conditioins, but in the unhappy event of a roll-over or something as serious, your water containers will fly about.

Others may be able to offer wiser suggestions.

Jack
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 10:42

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 10:42
Shaz,

I am with Rolande and would always ty to carry heavy things like water and tools low in the vehicle. Best for light weight things you can't get low as the rest. The "reserve" things.......

Just ask yourself is there a reason why you would especially like your vehicle to flip over? You would be making it easier for it to happen with the weight up there.

I have seen them and they don't look perty after, especially if it happens where you are more at risk.
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Reply By: Member - Alan G (NSW) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 11:45

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 11:45
You might try my solution. I too agree on the weight down low theroy. I have a 50lt yacht bladder which sits on the floor and then has a piece of ply over it. It has a short pipe and valve on one end, so I can load stuff over it and still get water out of it. I 50 lts heaps of water and really it takes up no space at all.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 12:37

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 12:37
How much was your bladder, and where did you get it from?
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Follow Up By: Brian - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:04

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:04
Mine was $90 from Marine Supply store 100l bladder withy 2 in/out lets.

Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:12

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:12
No Brian, you're talking my language! Could you tell me which marine supply store it was?
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Follow Up By: Brian - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:19

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:19
Probably not much use to you but "Tamar Marine" in Launceston!
Should get the same at the Marine supply stores on the Mainland!
The 50l was only $20 cheaper so I went the 100l. Don't normaly fill it full but ,can if I want.

Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:22

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:22
Thanks Brian, makes sense, I mean I use a 25L Plastic container that I hook up to the water pump with an adaptor I made, however they cost between $10 and $20, 4 of those at $20 each = $80 and a hell of a lot of room taken up in the back, so it's just makes sense. Only problem I can see is getting the water out of the sucker, might have to make a rod that goes the length of it with small holes it it so as the pump can suck the water out.
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Follow Up By: Magnus - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:33

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:33
ARB also stock them but a lot more expensive. $200 for 100 litres if I recall

Magnus
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:38

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:38
Yeah that'd be right, bloody ripp of merchants!
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Follow Up By: Brian - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:41

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:41
Jeff why do you need to pump the water? Mine is just gravity fed, not fast but simple ! One inlet is low the other is high,put long hose and tap on the low one and a short hose and tap on the high inlet! Use the high inlet as breather only and fill and drain through the lower inlet! Open tap on high side (as a breather)to fill and drain.

Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:51

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:51
Well probally don't with the bladder however I've gone to all the effort of installing an inline self priming water pump behind the inside panels of the back cargo area and it is neat having pressurised water for hosing the kids off at the beach, having a shower and doing the dishes, putting the fire out etc... I just have a standard garden hose fitting and a couple of meteres of hose at the back of the car that tucks neatly away inside one of the side pockets when not in use.
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Follow Up By: Brian - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:55

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 16:55
Would most likely still work! Also would not need to use the breather?
The bladder would colapse as you emptied it.

Brian

PS what pump dud you use?
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 17:01

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 17:01
It's a little FloJet, cost about $100 from the 12v shop. Works bloody great, the amount of pressure it can produce is quite suprising. I actually used the little water tap that came with my bottle, the screw thread on it matched retic pipe perfectly, so it's just screwed into a retic pipe adaptor to a standard hose adaptor and plugs in. I've cable tied the tap to a "Quick Clamp" (one of those builder's style clamps you use for holding bits of wood together) so it can just clamp to the spare trye when it's opened out, providing a perfect height tap, but you can also take it off in 1 second and hose yourself down or wash dishes, it's bloody great. Probally the best thing I ever put in the 4by I reckon. The only thing is when you have high pressure flowing water you go through bloody 4 times as much water, you use it for everything! and with the new little baby girl getting ready to pop her head out it'll be even worse, hence the need to go up to a 100L storage.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 17:03

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 17:03
Oh yeah, the pump is pressure activated (automatic) and is self priming, and will pump dry without damaging it.
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Reply By: Magnus - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 17:23

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 17:23
Shaz,

At 33 lbs for 15 litres are you sure you want that up top. Apart from the physical effort of getting them up and down, having them up there is going to wreak havoc with your center of gravity of the vehicle.

If your vehicle is new or newish you should check out the permissable load up top to be sure you do not void warranty.

My Tribute has a max load of 45 kg up top. Most after market roof racks that are at all decent weigh half or more than that.. So the roof rails that came with the car are mainly for show or a pair of skis or surfboard.

Cheers

Magnus
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Follow Up By: Brian - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 19:48

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 19:48
"33 lbs for 15 litr" or much simpler 1litre water = 1kg

Brian
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Follow Up By: Mick - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 20:44

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 20:44
But in fairness to your vehicle the Tribute isn't the sort of vehicle to be going to places requiring a lot of gear to be carried .... as you say skis or a board so it's for the snow or the beach not off road four wheel driving.
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Follow Up By: Magnus - Saturday, Jul 10, 2004 at 08:14

Saturday, Jul 10, 2004 at 08:14
Brian,

never did manage to make the conversion to metric. When someone is described as xxx cm tall it means absolutely zero to me.
Definitely an imperial man

Cheers

Magnus
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Follow Up By: Magnus - Saturday, Jul 10, 2004 at 08:22

Saturday, Jul 10, 2004 at 08:22
Mick,

Absolutely right bout the Tribute, but the principle of loading beyond the warranty limit still applies. Just need to check is all.

Nice car the Tribute, but a tad thirsty. If the seats wern't at just the right bum height and the price so attractive, it would be a candidate for exchange for something a bit more economical. Still it does what we want it to do, and that is not serious off road work, as it is not the car for that.

All of which explains its position on the sales table. Down near the bottom!!

Still, we have fun with it and that's the main thing I suppose.

Cheers

Magnus

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Follow Up By: Mick - Saturday, Jul 10, 2004 at 23:07

Saturday, Jul 10, 2004 at 23:07
Absolutely right Magnus. But I'm surprised that they're low on sales - I would have thought they were a popular vehicle in their category. I guess they're up against the Subarus which probably have a bit of a stranglehold. If you consider changing vehicles in the future have a look at the Turbo Diesel Prado - very economical, very much car like and a bit better off road.
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Reply By: Mick - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 20:40

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 20:40
Cazshaz, without wishing to offend you, I think you should be very wary of going anywhere off the sealed roads! (Presumably you intend to if you are carrying water). I say this because if you intend carrying water containers on a roof rack you have very little 4wd knowledge or experience. The only place is within the vehicle. Secondly if you need to seek advice on securing objects in a rack then you have a great deal to learn and should hold off on the remote area trip until you have more experience. I suggest you join a club and enrol in a 4wd course. I wonder .... do you know how to use a snatch strap or winch .... do you know how to prepare your vehicle for sand driving/ mud driving/ hilly country .... in fact do you know how to select four wheel drive?
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Follow Up By: cazshaz - Monday, Jul 12, 2004 at 09:06

Monday, Jul 12, 2004 at 09:06
Thanks Mick

I should have explained things a little better...looking at post now, we really sound like novices...

OK have heeded all advice and only spare tyre, tent and tarp are going on roof rack....no occy straps being used only ratchet type straps. Water going in truck.

Actually done the Cape, OTL, Chilli Beach, Tip, Mutee, Viryllia etc 3 times before, last being this time last year. Have full recovery gear and yes we do know how to use it - winch included. As for sand driving, we live on the beach so are very confident in sand, so much so we have aided a few people on Main Beach at Straddie (much to the gents concern we were helping who did not know what a snatch strap was and naturally we used ours.....his wife made him pay us for a new one) so thanks for your concern, obviously we have asked a silly question.

Also the only reason tyre is going on roof is because on 80 series they are useless underneath, and at moment cant afford a Kaymar Swing away - but that will be done before we take off in 2006............

Thanks

Shaz
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Tuesday, Jul 13, 2004 at 14:37

Tuesday, Jul 13, 2004 at 14:37
Dont' hold back Mick.....................

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Reply By: Mick - Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 20:47

Friday, Jul 09, 2004 at 20:47
Oh and if you must do it please don't use occy straps!! They are made to stretch around light loads.
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