ExploreOz Clunky app

Do you normally "Thank" your own posts here Stefan?

Stefan F2. I haven't found memory maps user friendly.

For my part, I find EOT and MM/HEMA to be complimentary. I don't like the way that EOT looses detail as you zoom out. I find it hard to use it for zoomed out views, and I don't trust all the tracks that it shows. MM/HEMA is better for the big picture and route selection, but the plethora of available maps and trying to select the best one can be a frustration. However when I need to zoom in and see fine detail then I find that MM/HEMA is often fairly useless, whereas EOT being vector based is invaluable, and I don't have to switch maps. It's certainly better for navigating to points of interest, and in areas not well served by MM/HEMA.

In commenting on ease of use, I think Stefan needs to declare his relationship with MM.

Briste what is my relationship with MemoryMaps? It's the same I had with EOT.

I did a paid Tutorial for EOT, I also did some paid consulting for MM pre-release.
I had a coupon code for EOT, I have a coupon code for MMFA.

MemoryMaps is also not perfect but I never have to consult the manual and I can't say the same for EOT not to mention that MMFA never let me down on a Trip and EOT has stopped working several times on trips.

I would agree that both maps are complementary EOT is useless for planing and overview as you also mentioned nothing is visible or recognisable if you zoom out the old Hema state maps for brilliant for that. EOT is good for close-ups even though sometimes tracks on EOT no longer exist. (I still rather have tracks on the maps that don't exist than the other way around). Yes as I said POI's in EOT are much better than in MMFA but I use Wiki Camps and have had no issues with the new version on my recent trip

Duncan2H keep calm, I assume fat fingers a phone and old style forum but good onya to making sure lol

@IvanTheTerrible

Yea also not perfect but way better than EOT. I never had to consult the manual for basic features like sharing waypoints or tracks with other apps while on the move for instance.

Stefan F2: "sharing waypoints or tracks with other apps while on the move" That's basic? An who does it. That's shit you do when you get home.
Unfortunately as soon as someone says they are "paid" they lose credibility when commenting on the subject.

In my experience the more powerful the application, the greater the need to refer to the documentation. EOT seems a much more powerful and flexible app than MM, and so it's not surprising that some use of the manual is required from time to time. That said, MM is not immune. I found route planning in MM klunky and not at all intuitive, to the point where I don't use it

When someone accepts money or services in relation to a product then they cease to be just a blogger or vlogger and become an influencer, no matter what protestations they make about their impartiality. It's important that such situations are clearly identified so that the reader can make up their own mind. That's why I asked. Thank you for your clarification.

Stefan reports "EOT is useless for planing" (not my spelling of planning).

Stefan probably hasn't fully realised the value of "ExplorOz Folders".. I plan multiple trips concurrently with "Folders".. squirreling away Places, Track Logs, and Treks and then further adding new Personal Places for proposed camping spots, things I want to look at that aren't yet Public Places. Further! I can do this on my PC with its full sized keyboard and multiple screens by using the Web App version of ExplorOz Traveller.. I can have all my browser tabs open for research and etc curate a whole trip with ease - and it all syncs to the two devices I run in my vehicle with ExplorOz Traveller on them when I open them up. As a trip planning tool this is SUPERB!

When I am actually on a trip I can turn off all the "noise" (the 1000s of public places etc) and just turn on a specific Trip Folder (as required) to deliver clarity - all my intended POIs, intersections, treks etc.. its a such a cool feature - I haven't seen this in any other App.

I took the time to download MM yesterday and spent an hour or so poking around. I found it unimpressive and basic.

ExplorOz is not without fault, I've taken the time to report 7-8 defects myself, every single one of them was explored by David and Michelle, discussed and resolved! Further I've made two suggestions for new functionality for the App - one suggestion resulted in the new "Measure" tool and one was rejected for very fair reasons... I've never had this level of enthusiastic support, issue exploration and resolution from another software vendor before, especially in this niche space.

Stefan has long had a very public axe to grind with ExplorOz - its at the point now of being tiresome, whiny, and predictable - petulant and churlish even. Give it up Stefan, enough already.

Briste, Memory Map for ALL and the older PC version have a great feature where you can display 2 maps simultaneously and individually change the map or scale.

For example in the HIgh Country I have one map showing the general area on say Hema High Country maps. The other screen is set to Vic topo 25K or Rooftop and zoomed in. Great for detail.

Nothing compares to that for off-road 4wding imho, and you can import any map you like, I have imported old 1800's maps of old gold towns.

Not only that, but it is easy to use and doesnt crash and lose track logs all the time. That was extremely disappointing to me, especially the response that it was my device or fault. ( I had 3 devices, all lost tracks much of the time).

Boobook Out of interest how much have these 1800 maps cost you? As all HEMA maps are quite expensive and some way overpriced.

Duncan2H's assessment of Stefan's EOT posts is spot on. Enough already.

@Boobook: I don't see a split screen option in my MM Android app, and I even read the manual. ;) Is Memory Maps for All a different app?

My Samsung Tab S6 allows me to have two apps on the screen in a split-screen arrangement. I quickly gave up on this. I found it to be too much of a distraction, and unnecessary. I am either trying to follow where I am in the bigger picture, or I'm trying to navigate the local region, but rarely both at the same time. So I switch to whichever app best suites the task at hand.

DickL

The maps are absolutely free. I get them from the State Library of Voctoria, then import them into Memory Map.

I get old town maps, specific maps ( like fire boundaries), A map showing the aboriginal land I am in, and I scan in paper maps like westprint and Rooftop. The cost to import is a one off fee of $50.

Also when I buy a map from MM it is a one-off fee. I own the map and it doesn't disappear after a couple of years. They are mine forever.

Also if I buy or import a map it and the software can be used unlimited across all platforms and devices I own.

@Boobook: I continue to use many of the maps I acquired from MemoryMaps a decade ago, particularly the Top 25k ones. They haven't undergone significant updates. The dual or trip screen feature is frequently utilized by me for planning and viewing different maps without altering the entire application.

@Briste: I present products as they are, both their strengths and weaknesses. I've never conducted a paid review. Even when I've received substantial products from companies, my feedback remains unbiased. For reference, you can view my recent review on the LiFePo4 batteries here: https://youtu.be/vRcSPuBob-I

The assumption that one can be influenced by a minor referral commission might be how you work, but it's not how I operate.

For clarity, I'm retired. My involvement with YouTube is a personal interest, not a source of income.

I'm in a bit of a bind. If I gloss over the issues and failures I've documented, many will rightfully be upset. But if I highlight the flaws, the die-hard supporters get riled up. As always, I'd rather ruffle the feathers of the die-hard supporters.

I must say I never realised you could show multiple maps at once on MMFA so I played around and yes it’s true. See screenshot of my iPad. I have not added speed and other fields yet which can be added anywhere you like on the page. Thanks for that.

@826 to be honest showing multipe maps at once becomes a bit cluttered on a smaller screen but I use the function where I can have different screens with different maps and resolutions all within MMFA. It's a brilliant feature I use constantly one screen is closed in on a topo, one screen is on a larger scale map for overview and one screen is often way ahead for trip planing ahead on an entirely different map. Priceless feature in my book

826, you can also put the maps screen in screen. I use a smaller "general area" map inside a larger, more detailed one for local navigation.

Both screens can track the location, or you can "swipe" them to unlock their tracking of the GPS so you can look ahead on the map for planning on the go.

It has 3 key features that make it stand out.
1)I own the maps, and it costs me nothing to have multiple platforms.
2)Dual maps
3)It is open, and I can import and own any map I choose.

Briste, sorry I missed part of your question before.

Yes MMfA is a new app and different to Memory Map for Android.

And Miles better.

It is still free, Install it then import the maps from the MM app.

I have tried lots of mapping programs, Hema, Ozi, EO, and they are all a generation or two behind in friendliness, bugs and features IMHO.

Plus you get to own the maps you buy, not just rent them for 1 or 2 years. I personally hate that. Some of my bought maps go back to 2006

I also heard that seems like they sorted the issue though I just returned from a trip and had no issues with Wiki Camps. Wiki camps cost 8$ or so from memory not $100 per year

Stefan

$100 per year. Mmmm, you’ve confused me.

Regards

TrevorDavid

Stefans the cat on the hot tin roof

Hmm $100.p/year not EO traveller ..

Yes Rocco, that was pretty much our latest trip experience as well.
Went to north QLD, across the gulf, Hells Gate roadhouse, Borroloola, Roper River, Katherine, Buchanan Hwy, Tablelands Hwy, Birdsville and back home to the Gold Coast.
The Traveller and EOTopo maps worked brilliantly, able to really zoom in when we wanted to, ample info about countryside and features and names, even towns had quite sufficient detail of all that we required.
Had some HEMA maps but didn't need or use them.
Only thing I mucked up was the saving of a small section of the trip .... still not sure how I messed it up, but the missing section is on one of the saved records ........ I was using both an iPad and an iPhone ....... probably shouldn't !!
Has certainly worked brilliantly for me.
Cheers
Jim