GU Patrol Security

Submitted: Monday, Jul 19, 2004 at 21:55
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Hi all,

I can only imagine how Barry is feeling about his stolen truck (Post 14792). With the amount of work most of us put into customising our 4WD's to suit our own individial requirements it would take more $$ than any insurance company would be willing to pay to really compensate the loss of a 4wd.

Anyway my question is regarding GU Patrol's. Mine is a 2003 ST with Factory fitted Central Locking & a Factory fitted immobiliser system (both standard security features). Does any one know if any GU's that have theses standard security features have actually been stolen ? (Assuming the 4wd has been locked in the first place)

Phil P

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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, Jul 19, 2004 at 23:17

Monday, Jul 19, 2004 at 23:17
I'll get in and say it b4 any of the smart-aas yota owners do......

Nobody would bother stealing one of our trucks........the is nowhere near as well publicised as John Laws makes the yota. Lawsy tells everyone how "good" they are, so all the bloody tea-leafs decide they just gotta have one of them there yotas, cos lawsy said so!!!!

Seriously though, I haven't heard of anybody having a GU knocked off......doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

keep it safe mate......

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Reply By: Member - Dragan T (VIC) - Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 00:58

Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 00:58
I would speak in general, no matter 2 or 4 WD, If you have factory fitted security chance is that "pinchers" have alrady worked out how to disable it fast and quiet. But it is likely to happen only if someone is targeting that paticular type of 4WD. As I see it there are 2 types of car thefts, 15-16 year olds pinching old ford lasers etc. and trashing them 'till ther run out of the fuel and leave them on the road, and serious ones where cars usually end up sold as bunch of parts or mass production ones (commodores falcons etc.) being sold with false papers in some other state. Now 4WD especially heavy modified is easily recognized and it will end up in parts for sure!!! Check if your alarm is 1,2 or 3 point imobilizer, is it black wiring etc, if you are into auto electrics you can do a couple of "tricks" your self to protect it even more. But of course as I always forget, it will probably VOID WARRANTY if you play with car wiring on your own!!! The way I see it and the way I had alarm on my car, wiring as confusing as possible with 2 backup batteries (12V 7Ah) and 2 sirens- It will take a while even for the best car theif to work out a bunch of wires that he never saw before!!! I took it all out of my old car and will install it in Terrano if I decide to keep it for a while.
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Reply By: Utemad - Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 09:01

Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 09:01
My ute has an alarm with central locking. Cutting the igition, starter and fuel pump. Battery back up alarm. Black wires all the same size. 2 earths and 2 powers. False wiring. Rolling code remotes.

If a car thief can get through all that while the alarm is deafening him. I would be very surprised.

Have been told if it can't be done in 30 seconds then thiefs generally move on.

However if they really want it then they would use a flat bed truck. If someone saw them and the alarm was going off it would be easy for them to explain it away. As being illegally parked, broken down or something like that.

South Africa is the place to go for car security. Not to legal here though.

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Reply By: rotten - Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 10:09

Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 10:09
Recent stats from RACV show that the yota is the most likely stolen 4x4 of late. Most are never recovered and probably broken up for parts. Patrols seem to be harder to steal ( I hope).
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Reply By: Shawn - Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:11

Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:11
Mate got the same wagon.
My ulitimate security device is an all Australian item called Flash.
A Red Heeler, incar security when travelling and under/around car when stopped
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:42

Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:42
The wiring and the alarm in the surf were so damn confusing that my whiz kid brother spent about 1 hour working out how to hook the turbo timer up to it, then when he was finished with that (the turbo timer was home made with all sorts of other crap built into it) they don't have a hope in bloody hell of working that out, with the 5 relays and all the wires, the only problem is if it stops in the middle of nowhere, I'm taking the drive shaft out and towing her! LOL
But as said above, who's to stop someone putting in on the back of a trunck and buggering off with it.
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:42

Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:42
My understanding of the GU immobiliser (and virtually all new vehicles now) is that unless the factory key is used to start the car, the CPU will not operate. The key has a transponder built into it (in the black plastic bit) so you cannot simply copy the key. A copied key will unlock the doors and disable the steering lock, but it will not start the car. A replacement key must be a genuine key and then coded by the manufacturer. Basically, no key - no go. BUT, it doesn't stop a flatbed truck from towing your pride and joy away!!!


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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 23:53

Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 23:53
One of the most common ways to steal cars these days is to break into your house while you are asleep and take the keys off the dining room table or whatever obvious spot you left them. Some people even obligingly hang the keys on a hook just inside the front door!!!!!

Hell of a lot easier than figuring out black wiring, defeating alarms and all that stuff.

Be mindful what you do with those keys. You go to the pub and put your keys on the table. You turn away or go to the bar or the wizzer and return to find the keys gone. Out in the carpark the lowlife just presses the button and looks for the orange flash. In the car and gone before you even know it.

It happens. And an eagle eyed insurance assessor may even say that you contributed via your negligence so you lose out there as well.

It is a wonderful world in which we live at times!!!

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Reply By: Freshn - Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 23:12

Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004 at 23:12

Patrol security is pretty bad. See link.

Would seem anyone who'd wanna steal one wouldn't have too much trouble.

I think the answer is to get an additional immobilise/security to encourage the bastards to move on to the next car instead of yours.

If they were pros I'd imagine they'd have a hacked ECU to swap into the victim Patrol. Simple matter of pulling the plug/connector off the victim's own and replacing onto the hacked unit.

If it's standard, it could be studied and circumvented.
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Reply By: rolande- Wednesday, Jul 21, 2004 at 22:47

Wednesday, Jul 21, 2004 at 22:47
The main concern seems to be how easy it is to get rid of 4B stuff. Not many have VIn codes on each panel, datadots, three stage immobiliser, strengthened door locks etc. Buy a write off, steal a good one, swap body and chassis and hey presto! new vehicle. Take note of stealing keys from home, etc. Previous posts on this forum mention this also, coupe of horror stories, need to have safe in house just to keep car keys in. I will fit after market alarm to my GU in the near future but still use steering lock, (best I can find), as added bonus. Just about have to go down the "Mr. Bean" security road to keep car where I left it. the GU key immobiliser sits around the key socket on the steering column, would have thought that any professional thieves would have worked a way around it by now.
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