GCR permits and travel times

That's an idea!

Hi Roger,

Have you applied for a permit for the GCR in the past? When I applied for my permits in the past, I am pretty sure you have to nominate the vehicle Registration. I could be wrong, because it was 2017 when I last did the GCR.

Macca.

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Yes Macca, the vehicle rego and passenger names must be nominated for every permit I ever obtained.
If you start muckin' about as described by Roger then you may well get tangled. As the saying goes……
…."Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."

I think that so long as you have a permit then the exact date is not a problem.

Over several crossings using the GCR two days is always been enough and we have been asked for our permits when refuelling a few times. So best to go prepared IMHO.

Rob

If you wanted to cross my land it would be a respectful & polite for you to seek my permission to do so first. If I wanted to cross your land I would expect to seek your permission before doing so. Hardly 'arse kissing' (nor humiliating unless you take the view that 'your' rights are being interfered with, & if that is the case it is a position from which the rights of others are readily denied).

I said publicly several years ago that the more folk refused to accept the rights of aboriginal people, the more I expected that they would begin to assert their rights by restricting access to places many have taken for granted. I'd do the same if anyone & their dog thought it ok to wander across my land, often trashing it as they went. I'd lock the gates and/or insist they compensate me if I gave permission & the louder they whinged about me the higher the fences would go & the greater recompense I would demand. They would be the losers, not me, I wouldn't need them

We reap what we sow.

Well Cuppa, if you had a gazetted road passing through your land, even if the road was never built you would be breaking the law if you denied public access. Only the police and military can do that. Farmers up our way have been fighting that battle for generations, and guess what, you don't even have to ask them let alone apply for a permit. Agreed it is common courtesy and common sense but that wasn't part of my question so I don't see why you have taken it upon yourself to lecture about it. Read the latter part of my post, that was included to prevent such a post and you and your bunch of nit pickers banging on for forty or fifty follow ups. You haven't actually answered any of the questions.

I took the time to respond as I did because of your single line comment " Or is it just another form of humiliating arse kissing that the majority of Australian citizens are being forced into".

That sort of poorly disguised racism deserves being called out. Far from 'nit picking' even if you don't like it.
In fact, all you really said apart from the line I have highlighted, was "I don't like the permit system" which is a valid perspective. It won't change the fact that the system exists.

That's all.

So now your telling me what I actually said. I don't consider myself to be a racist.
I was born in an outback town which was very multicultural and left there at 17 and have worked in an industry most of my life that is also very multicultural and have made some very good friends from all over the world including our own indiginous. I am only 2nd generation Australian and dont consider myself any more or less Australian than anyone else that was born here. My father fought in europe for our right to be here which I very much doubt the Japanese would have let any one of any colour survive if they won the war. If I said anything other than what I wrote it is my utter disappointment with the way the government has been, is and will be running the country in the future but politics does not belong here so I can't say that.
Now would you like to have a crack at answering any of my questions?

"So now your telling me what I actually said."

Cuppa read your words in much the same way as I did.

Couldn't resist could you Peter.
You obviously didn't bother reading the last part of the post either.
Haven't been able to catch up on any news today so far but I'm betting that some minority groups have caused trouble somewhere.
Every Australian tradition offends one group or other. Even today, the only true Australian/NZ event celebrated with a national public holiday seems to be on borrowed time.
So do you have any answers to any of the questions I asked?

Qld Camper

The paragraph/s below are from the Outback Way website. Hopefully it addresses some if not all of your questions.

"A permit is required when travelling on roads through Aboriginal land such as the Great Central Road, Tjukaruru Road and most of the roads-tracks leading off the Outback Way between Laverton and Yulara.

Aboriginal land is private land. It is not Crown land, nor public land.

The permit system enables permit holders to understand their obligations and responsibilities,
helping to preserve Aboriginal heritage and culture, safeguarding the natural environment and to promote visitor safety."

I see it as akin to entering large factories, business sites etc etc. It is good practice to know who is on your site / land and for the visitors to know your rules and expectations. In some states it is also a requirement when travelling through national parks and often you have to pay.

I hope this assists.

Thanks Kenell, glad someone can actually read.
Must have different laws for heritage land.
I know the dairy farmers that used to operate up here were not allowed to stop people riding on gazetted roads through their properties only problem the roads were never built so horse riders and young 4wd idiots assumed their tractor tracks were the roads which were hundreds of metres from where the road was meant to be meaning they were trespassing leaving gates open and cutting wire from fences even camping and having fires, proper shit fight every weekend.
Do the permits cost anything?

This string is becoming unwieldy but not yet off topic.

My contribution is to Cuppa and, sorry, is idiosyncratic a bit.

Cuppa, you say "often trashing it as they went".

My experience all over outback Oz is that mostly, over the past 20 years, outback travelers have been highly responsible.

With one exception - outback Indigenous travelers who completely litter the country of which they are the custodians with empty cans, full nappies, and car wrecks and other assorted objectionable material.

What say you?

Cheers. JB.

Crikey John,
Don’t tell me that you actually go out and see what peaceful, caring people who respect the land actually do to themselves and the land.
Maybe you should stay in the city, put your blinkers on and believe the lies being propagated.

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Kevin, we usually traversed it in 4 days so that is 2 days for each (WA & NT) permit.
Sometimes took a day longer if we browsed in art centres.

Hi Suitcase,
The permit for WA is only equired to transit Aboriginal land around Cosmo Newbery, about 150 klms, and its only about 50klms before Laverton.
If you're not sure of your travel dates, apply for a 1 week block and it should be approved, I did that a couple of months ago, no issues, transit and fuel only, no stopping within the 150k zone.

Hi suitcase

Just take your time as long as you have your permits.

It’s a great drive, lots to see.

One time when we got into Laverton, I started talking with a couple of local Police and asked the question about permits and who checks them, and he smiled.

He said we have far better things to do than check permits, but only ever charged one person for not having them. The idiot got into a fight at Warburton and when the police arrested him, he was charged with a number of offence including not having a travel permit.

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Yes Stephen, I also got into conversation with a cop outback once. About permits, he said "well your'e s'posed to have them and we check if we think it is appropriate" or words to that effect.
When I asked about the purpose of the permits he gave me his thoughts on that but I am not going to repeat them on an open forum. And he wasn't smiling either.

Make sure you do the side trip up to Empress Spings