Lithium Jump Starters…. A word of advice.

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I have just purchased my first lithium jump starter and need to extend its connection leads to suit the connection points within the MB Sprinter. This led me to open-up the plug at the end of the leads which connects to the lithium battery. Inside there I found a circuit board with a few components and a relay.
This relay's contacts control the application of the lithium battery to the leads that connect to the car battery. Investigation revealed that the relay will not switch on until the jumper leads detect some small amount of voltage coming from the car battery. Clearly, this has been arranged so that no application of boost will occur unless the leads are properly connected to a recipient battery. A reversed connection or a shorted connection will ensure that the unit remains off.
Inspection of a neighbour's jump-starter of different brand revealed the same arrangement and it is probable that all jump-starters are the same……. And for good reason, to prevent improper operation and resultant huge current flow.

But here's the rub……. A lithium jump-starter cannot be used to crank a car with no installed battery….. or one with a completely flat battery. Some small voltage needs to be present for it to engage.
I tested to determine just how much voltage needs to be present for the jumper to engage and found that it was about 2 volts.

Interestingly, the relay controlling the jumper's output is rated at 70A. I can only assume that the manufacturer deemed it capable of carrying the several hundred Amps of a starter motor demand as it does not need to break that larger current. But it does give me some concern.
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Reply By: IvanTheTerrible - Sunday, Aug 03, 2025 at 16:00

Sunday, Aug 03, 2025 at 16:00
Standard jump packs and nearly all battery chargers are the same so you don't connect the leads backward and damage the vehicle electronics. Battery chargers are usually 5-6 volts trigger so you have to jump start the charger to get it to start.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Sunday, Aug 03, 2025 at 16:10

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Yes, agreed Ivan. But it may be considered that a lithium ion jump pack was much the same as hooking up another battery as a donor to jump start an engine…. but it's not it would seem.
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Sunday, Aug 03, 2025 at 19:21

Sunday, Aug 03, 2025 at 19:21
They also usually have a group of Schotty Diodes in the positive lead to prevent reverse polarity connection. They fry immediately sensing being reverse polarity.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 08:58

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Ivan, no Schottky diodes in my unit. The relay function prevents reverse current.
Even if there were diodes, reverse voltage would not "fry" them but simply block the reversal.
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Reply By: Member - LeighW - Sunday, Aug 03, 2025 at 20:00

Sunday, Aug 03, 2025 at 20:00
From memory my unit indicates it will not work with a dead flat battery and has a led to indicate
voltage to low or something along those lines though I think I have seen other types start car without a battery but I may be wrong.

I assume you are supposed to connect it to the battery and wait till the battery has enough charge to activate the boost feature. All sounds good but...

I recently found my hybrids 12V battery died when I pushed the start button after leaving the car idle for about 3 weeks. No problem I will use the jumper starter, wrong! I connected the jump starter and pressed boost, straight away all the automation kicked in the car, head lights, wipers and everthing esle trying to fire up and the boost disengaging. Tried a few times then thought ok I'll let the battery charge a bit and try again but again no joy. I suspect all the electronics, ie voice commands are still active even when everything appears off and that with whatever else is running expecting the car to be started prevents the battery charging to a point where the boost can be used. In the end I gave up and connected my battery charger to it, waited a few minutes then it started. For me the jump starter was not a success with a hybrid vehicle. I also found with my Prado many moons back the same, I had a high resistance develope in the battery isolator switch and couldn't start the car. I thought flat battery and connected the jump starter pack,. All seemed well pushed the boost and tried to start and immediately the boost dropped out.

When I realised what the issue was I was surprised as I thought the jump starter would provided the cranking current if the starter loads the jump pack to much and pulls the voltage down the boost drops out. It appears it is more of a hit the boost and wait some time for the cranker to charge before trying to start. I'll have to do some more testing in the future. This might also expalin the 70A relay.
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Reply By: @Yackandandah - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 07:09

Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 07:09
My Lithium jump starter, GooLoo, has a button to press if no voltage detected. I had successfully started my V8 Landcruiser diesel, in the middle of NE Vic winter, with the starter battery disconnected.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 09:10

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Hi Kevin, Yes, I expect many variations in their designs.
My unit is a Jaycar "1000A' Powertech supposedly capable of kickstarting an American aircraft carrier.
But that "70A" relay still gives me some concern. If it ever gives trouble I'll short it out. Then I could use it as a welder. LOL
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 20:38

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Kevin, I have now read the instruction manuals of several GooLoo models and in each case the instruction is as you have said....... "connect the leads then observe the display." "READY" indicates that the leads are correctly connected to the recipient battery. A displayed "X" warns of a reversed connection. Following this press the Boost button to engage the jumpstater. Notably the instructions warn to NOT press the Boost button before connecting the leads. From this it would appear that doing so would engage the jumpstart without rejection due to reversed connection.
The outcome is the same as for my product but is not automatic so you would have the option of applying power without a recipient battery being present which could be useful. The risk is the possibility of connecting to a battery in reverse then ignoring the screen and pressing the Power button. The outcome could be interesting to say the least and I would rather that you did not do it if I am within 100 metres! The same could be said about connecting two batteries in reverse with jumper leads but the dramatic spark at the moment of the final connection would likely cause a reflex action that wold break the connection whereas it is not so easy to un-press a button.
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 07:15

Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 07:15
Wow, from the responses so far, it would seem that not all Jump Starter Packs are the same.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 09:12

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Yeah, Jump Starters ain't Jump Starters Macca.
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Reply By: Peter J4 - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 07:21

Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 07:21
I have found after having a few of the little jump packs that if not used regularly they eventually die.
A better solution is one of the supercapacitor jump packs as they don't have a battery that must be kept charged so nothing to die. Like most jump packs they need the battery being jumped to have at least some voltage and the one I've got will charge off the flat battery and once it has charged after a few minutes will then do the job. It can also be charged off mains and a good batttery in a few minutes.
I've started trucks bulldozers, tractors and of course 4wd's and cars from it over the years.
It's often been over 12 months between uses and it still works fine after many years.
As others have found keep an old transformer based charger for those really flat batteries that the so called smart chargers won't charge from dead flat.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 09:29

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Yes Peter, super capacitors do have some advantages (and disadvantages) to batteries, but don't kid yourself, they also have self-discharge characteristics usually much greater than batteries. See here.
They are usually employed in electronic devices as short-term backup and are kept constantly charged in normal use.
Lithium Ion batteries have very low self-discharge characteristics but still wise to regularly charge if being used as emergency back-up. Of course, as with all products, manufacture quality is a factor in reliability. Buy cheap and you may not get a cheep.
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Follow Up By: Peter J4 - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 09:37

Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 09:37
I'll agree with you Alan it does discharge by itself very quickly, it's rare to find it charged enough to jump when it's pulled into service but it can very quickly charge from a battery that has at least 8 or 9v to it's full charge in a few minutes and then jump the vehicle, I've done it many times over the years.
It also has it's own tiny internal battery that can be charged to provide the whack to the cap if required.
Mine is a Baintech and would be probably ten years old at least.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 10:09

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Bainbridge has a good reputation so I am surprised that you are finding their jumpstarter lacking in charge when called upon. But at 10+ years old….. maybe so.
If I am going to carry such a device, I would expect it to 'be there' when called upon otherwise there is np point.
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Follow Up By: Peter J4 - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 10:45

Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 10:45
Alan it's always worked that way from new, it will hold a charge for a few days but gradually discharges.
I thought it was crook when I first got it but after talking to Bainbridge tech bloke he explained that it was working fine, they actually even sent me a secind unit to try and it was exactly the same.
As I said it charges up very quickly so a few minutes doesn't matter expecially as it simply won't die like most of the jump packs do eventually.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 11:11

Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 11:11
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Hmmm, maybe this is a product that they do not currently list. Does sound like a supercapacitor.
All very well if a second battery is on hand to charge up the jumpstarter but otherwise you are literally "Dead in the Water"!!!
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Follow Up By: Peter J4 - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 11:27

Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 11:27
I've never had a worry, even charged it off a cordless tool battery up in the paddock one time, very rare to not have something with a battery around these days.
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Reply By: Member - LeighW - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 13:16

Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 13:16
The Gooloo GP4000 looks to be an impressive unit and will provide an impressive, 800 cranking amps.

I just watched a video where a guy did 3 consecutive 6 second start attempts on a diesel engine without any issues.

Real world test on a carbon plie produced 708A@9.54V.
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Follow Up By: @Yackandandah - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 16:18

Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 16:18
The GP4000 is the unit I've got that I mentioned earlier on starting my V8 diesel Landcruiser with the starter battery disconnected. I've gone & looked at the video I took at the time & the peak amps were 523A.

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Follow Up By: Member - LeighW - Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 16:48

Monday, Aug 04, 2025 at 16:48
Yep they seem like a pretty decent unit, I noticed one of the cheaper units with the plugin
booster fitting containing the relay started smoking after a 2 seconds on the carbon pile then
tripped out. I suspect the Jaycar unit with a 70A relay as Alan found would be doing the same.
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Reply By: Batt's - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2025 at 14:56

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2025 at 14:56
Good post with some interesting info.
I have the Noco brand and they apparently can start a car with a dead flat battery which I didn't know about or even think of when buying it. I have only used it on a car with a flat battery that still had some power but not enough to start the engine by itself. So I won't no till or if the situation arises.
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Follow Up By: Member - William B - Friday, Aug 08, 2025 at 20:47

Friday, Aug 08, 2025 at 20:47
In a past life when I used to work the company I worked for used Noco jump starters.
They were a blessing, not having to cart around a heavy lead acid battery and heavy jumper cables to access hard to get to jump points was a game changer. They could start anything.
They had a high failure rate which I think was because they were probably over used for what we used them for and used in situations when we were also trying to start motors that had other issues then just a flat battery.
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Reply By: Dean K3 - Sunday, Aug 10, 2025 at 15:23

Sunday, Aug 10, 2025 at 15:23
Good idea tbh the low voltage sends battery to sleep as a protection feature

Somehow old man deep discharged auxiliary batteries on their camper he couldn't recharge them on bms in camper

I used a 9 volt battery across terminals to wake up batteries charged up normally
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