Do you grease your nuts

Submitted: Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 12:00
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Good morning all. I'v been in maintenance mode in the last week & getting the caravan ready for Easter providing we can still afford to travel then.
Have a 2020 Jayco journey Outback . amongst other things I have been upgrading the drainage out of the shower which was pretty poor for getting water drained out of the shower , we would be standing in water during a shower :( Upgraded it to more conventional 40 mm PVC drainage .

Checking over the wheel bearings this morning I noticed that the wheel nuts were well greased to a point of wet..
I know we don't like to have them dry and grabbing locking up , but how much is too much? I was wondering what others do, maybe a little dab of copper Grease.

Love to hear what others opinions are and any other maintenance hacks you may carry out before a trip away.
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Reply By: Member - Jim S1 - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 12:12

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 12:12
Not sure about greasing wheel nuts ........ I don't .

Wheel nuts should not be greased. Manufacturers specify that stud threads and mating surfaces be clean and dry to ensure accurate torque readings. Lubricating threads reduces friction, causing over-tightening (stretching studs) at standard torque settings, which can lead to stud breakage or wheels coming loose.

Something else to think about .

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Follow Up By: Member - nick boab - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 12:51

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 12:51
Thanks Jim I did think it was excessive and have wiped of what I can . well nuts certainly weren't tight I think a child could have undone them without any problems .
I'll give them a clean off .
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Follow Up By: Member - LeighW - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 13:34

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 13:34
This has been discussed on other forums, apparently there are some vehicles around
that the manufactures do specify that the wheel nut threads be greased. So always
best to check what the manufacturer specifies.

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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 14:09

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 14:09
OKA wheel nuts (8 @ 5/8" UNF @ 6.5" PCD) are specified to be "lightly greased" and the torque settings are relatively low as a result.
This is quite unusual. The general rule is "clean and dry".
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Follow Up By: RobMac (QLD_Member) - Monday, Mar 16, 2026 at 16:57

Monday, Mar 16, 2026 at 16:57
I've been greasing the threads on the wheel nuts of my cars for the past 40yrs w/o any issues. Personally, I think not lubricating the thread on the wheel nuts can cause more issues than not lubricating. Obviously u ony use a small amount of grease.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Mar 18, 2026 at 12:45

Wednesday, Mar 18, 2026 at 12:45
My attitude is to follow the manufacturer's instructions.
I figure they probably know best, or at least more than me.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Mar 18, 2026 at 13:09

Wednesday, Mar 18, 2026 at 13:09
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Ah Peter, you are so trusting. The manufacturers likely want you to wear/break things so they can sell you overpriced replacements.
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Follow Up By: North 200 - Thursday, Mar 19, 2026 at 16:10

Thursday, Mar 19, 2026 at 16:10
Peter, experience has taught me engineers work in workshops and are usually correct, but they don’t get down and get dirty in real world conditions.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Thursday, Mar 19, 2026 at 18:23

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North, most workshop that I have seen are very much in "real world conditions".
Would you care to expand your proposition?
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Reply By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 14:06

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 14:06
Hi Nick

I apply Never Seize, small dab on my finger and small amount to the wheel studs, then use my torque bar to the correct tension, never any problems betting them off and the smear on the studs stops any rusting.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 14:11

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 14:11
My understanding is that "Never Seize" is a serious NO-NO. Worse than grease.
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Follow Up By: Member - nick boab - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 15:42

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 15:42
Nerver seez tutorials

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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 16:17

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 16:17
Any reason why Peter?
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 16:32

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 16:32
Wow Peter, just looked at a YouTube video , looks like better off using nothing, was nor aware of the consequences, thank you for the heads up.

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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:06

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:06
Now it gets really challenging, more google and YouTube, many suggest, yes use anti seize….but reduce the torque value by around 20%.


Is this now opening up a real can of worms ?
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Thursday, Mar 19, 2026 at 18:17

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Hi Stephen, 20% torque reduction seems to be conveniently proposed, but by which organisation or engineer? I think that 20% was just pulled out of the air and would like to see the justification for that value. I lubed and continued to use the OEM torque specification.
I considered that my maintenance and lubing maintained the original new surfaces and that by lubing I maintained that condition and hence torque requirements.

Back in the 1900's virtually no-one used a torque wrench on the wheel nuts. You simply tightened them as tight as you could using the tool provided. Seemed to work OK then. Many still do.
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Follow Up By: Member - Gordon B5 - Friday, Mar 20, 2026 at 00:10

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I still use a wheel brace, 73 & been using one since I was 16. Never had a problem. Youngest son is Diesel & Auto electrician in the mines over here & gave me anti-seize years ago when he was giving me a hand to do brake pads. Have used it ever since without any trouble. The blokes in those mine workshops have very low options of engineers that design the stuff they work on by the way. What sort of Mechanic is he ? Well he’s been working on a mine site that is going back into production after a hiatus of some years, on his own so they must think he’s good enough or they wouldn’t have sent him there I recon. We’re proud of the boy.
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Reply By: Member - nick boab - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 15:29

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 15:29
Before I wiped the excess grease off
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 16:35

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 16:35
After watching a YouTube video, looks like I have been wrong and we all should just be using nothing, there is far more into it.

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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:25

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:25
Hi again Nick

Lots more watching and googling, yes they say use Never Seize or lubricant…..now for the can of worms, reduce the factory torque recommended setting by 20% to stop over stretching.

I am no expert, they the videos I watched all recommended this method and the reduction of the factory torque setting ?

Wonder what others now have to say ?
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:28

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:28
I suspect that Never-Seez is very good at the job it is designed for and that makes it MUCH harder to completely remove compared to grease too?
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Follow Up By: Member - nick boab - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:28

Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 17:28
Stephen, I think the lesson here is to be aware and learn new modern techniques.

I was told maney years ago by a diesel mechanic to use a little copper Grease
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Follow Up By: North 200 - Monday, Mar 16, 2026 at 09:38

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In the black coal underground industry a little bit of lube is always used on wheel studs.
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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Sunday, Mar 15, 2026 at 19:56

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I used an anti-seize thread lubricant on the Troopy. Only lightly applied to the treads and not to the coned face of the nuts.

In the industries I worked in it was common to lubricate the threads of critical fastenings. I observed it but was not directly involved. I appreciated that the construction engineers acted upon established standards for these specific applications. For automotive application there seems to be no universal standard or advice. I can only observe that no new car of mine ever appeared to have lubricant on the wheel studs.

But consider the physics involved…. when tightening and using a torque wrench, the wrench is actually measuring or reacting to the torsional force, although this torsional force is a function of both the friction on the threads and on the face of the nut plus the clamping force or bolt stretch. The friction of the threads and nut face are somewhat variable due to the surface condition which will change from new and clean to dirty and somewhat corroded with time. Hence it is not a particularly accurate method of clamping to a particular force but is convenient. Lubricating the threads eliminates one variable but without expert engineering advice I was reluctant to lubricate the nut face. I still tightened the nut to the manufacturers specified torque value as I was unsure of the effect of the change and anyway still had the friction of the nut face in the equation. I felt that I had a more reliable clamping effect than with dry bolts. I never had any problem with nuts loosening.

In industry, the practice for some critical applications such as the flange bolts of high pressure natural gas pipelines, was to lubricate both the threads and the nut face and tighten the nut by hand wrench until positively tight. The nut was then rotated by a further specified number of rotation degrees usually by means of a slogging spanner and sledge hammer. This specified rotation combined with the thread pitch stretched the bolt by a known amount and produced the desired clamp force reliably. But no, I am not suggesting you do that to your wheels.
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Reply By: RMD - Monday, Mar 16, 2026 at 11:50

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Nick.
I am amused as to how people take notice of YOUTUBE instructions, Grease/No GREASE. I particularly like the beginners guide to BRAIN SURGERY for the latest up to date methods. I do have a BATTERY DRILL and HOLE SAW.
I wonder IF anyone has actually tightened wheel nuts sufficiently, or perhaps torqued it.,- Marked the positions etc., and then added some lube to the SAME nut/STUD with the SAME TORQUE and see just how much more the FLATS of the NUT readily turns past the original position. I usually add a little lube spray to limit GALLING of nut and STUD thread. Just reducing torque by 20% because YT said so, is a bit SUS. The only real way is to measure the STUD stretch with lube and without at same torque. I used to rebuild CAT engines and often they used known length bolts and tightened to a specific STRETCH LENGTH increase which indicates CORRECT CLAMPING FORCE. NO TORQUE WRENCH used!
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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 18, 2026 at 10:01

Wednesday, Mar 18, 2026 at 10:01
I've always put anti seize on wheel nuts and studs.
Never had one work loose, break or come off.
It's a religion on my boat trailer as these threads are a magnet for salt water and corrosion. The number of people I have seen shear off studs trying to change a flat tyre on a boat trailer is scary!
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Follow Up By: Member - nick boab - Wednesday, Mar 18, 2026 at 10:34

Wednesday, Mar 18, 2026 at 10:34
Geoff, another good practice is to use Lanox mx4 on moving parts Threads and bits and pieces on the boat & trailer aswel I use a battery- terminal sealant on the wiring components.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 18, 2026 at 12:17

Wednesday, Mar 18, 2026 at 12:17
It certainly is Nick, onto that suggestion as well.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Wednesday, Mar 18, 2026 at 15:07

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Nick.
Lanox is very versatile, unlike WD 40. Having never seen a Rusty Sheep means Lanox works. Unfortunately LANOX cannot cure Cancer, Covid or the Common cold like WD 40 can do!
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Follow Up By: Member - nick boab - Wednesday, Mar 18, 2026 at 21:15

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RMD . rusty parts Hmm You know the only part that doesn't rust on Popeye is the part he puts in olive oil :))))
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Monday, Mar 23, 2026 at 11:04

Monday, Mar 23, 2026 at 11:04
Neverseize in the presence of salt water can introduce another dissimilar metal and create accelerated galvanic corrosion. Proved that many times building structures in the ocean (lighthouses/navaids - hence why neverseize is available with various base metals - copper nickel etc. Get it wrong and you create batteries real quick). Lanolin never goes hard and never creates galvanic corrosion. It stinks but it is great, especially for lubricating staino threads as an anti gall. Using it on wheel nuts, it will thin out and run when the nuts get hot but that will just rustproof anything else in the general vicinity. Great product.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Thursday, Mar 26, 2026 at 13:09

Thursday, Mar 26, 2026 at 13:09
I was using Lanolin on my Makita cordless hedge trimmer blades after giving it a clean after use just a fine spray of it which my neighbour said he does. But after doing this over time I went to start it one day and the blades wouldn't move so pulled it apart cleaned it off and worked fine. I think the residue built up over time creating resistance so don't use it now the blades are stainless anyway.
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Reply By: Gronk - Sunday, Mar 22, 2026 at 19:10

Sunday, Mar 22, 2026 at 19:10
Every car I've ever had....the threads came unlubed.
I have never seen a new car with lube on their threads.

If you must...apply some, then wipe as much back off as you can.

Same as you never apply anything to the face of the hub....never paint.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Sunday, Mar 22, 2026 at 19:16

Sunday, Mar 22, 2026 at 19:16
Never seen one with gloves in the glovebox either.
Or ashes in the ash tray. lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Ups and Downs - Monday, Mar 23, 2026 at 09:25

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or boots in the boot.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Tuesday, Mar 24, 2026 at 09:10

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I used to carry boots in the boot when I had a sedan :-)

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, Mar 24, 2026 at 09:43

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Macca, did you put your hat under the bonnet?

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