HF versus VHF

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 14:28
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For long distance comms whats the difference between these two?
Is HF land based?
Is VHF marine based?

Thanks in advance
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Reply By: Member - Karl - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 14:48

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 14:48
It has to do with the frequency bands etc. With HF you can get comms with virtually anyone anywhere in the world. With VHF it is only short range - at best up to 25 km with line of sight.
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Reply By: Nudenut - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 15:04

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 15:04
differnce is about 95watts of transmitting power?
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 15:45

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 15:45
LOL, correct!
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Follow Up By: Foss - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 19:28

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 19:28
and a bit of frequency range !
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 21:08

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 21:08
mmmm ok so i missed that out but its unimportant...to transmitting capabilities
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Follow Up By: Foss - Thursday, Aug 12, 2004 at 21:20

Thursday, Aug 12, 2004 at 21:20
Power output is fairly insignificant in comparison with frequency selection with regard to distance communications. Transmissions are regularly made around the world on 200 mW. I'm sure there are a few amature operators here that can expand on that.
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Reply By: Alex Callaghan - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 15:39

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 15:39
I'm no expert but as far as I'm aware VHF is line of sight so terrain effects distance the signel can travel and HF signel gose straight up and hits the earth ionisphear (spelling?) and is then bounced off the ionisphear down to one of the many fixed tranceivers around the country. So HF is far suprior as far as distance goes.
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 15:55

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 15:55
HF = High Frequency (8mhz (8.022) for VKS-737)
VHF = Very High Frequency (133mh for air planes)
UHF = Ultra High Frequency (477mhz for UHF CB's)
Microwave = Higher than all the above. Like 900mhz and above kind of stuff (mobile phones etc).
The lower the frequency the more chance you have of getting skip, that coupled with rediculous amount of transmitting power only availble on lower frequency radios, as it is less likley to harm someone or interfere badly with things like, oh planes and hospitals etc. :-)

You really don't wont to have a 100w microwave transmiter on the bullbar, give youself brain cancer and drop out everyones TV and open their garage doors as you drive down the street talking on your radio.

If you can imagine the radio waves, the smaller they are the more likley they are to get through things like brick walls and car windows etc, like mobile phones do, the bigger the waves the more likley you are to bounce over thing like big hills, however the main advantage of the lower frequencies is the ability to "skip" to another part of the country or world by bouncing your radio waves off the ionisphere (spelling??).

Also, there would be no point in getting a VHF as no other bugger's got one in his 4wd so there would be no one else to talk to. (except one bloke on the forum?? Got one in is troopy I think for work).

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 16:05

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 16:05
Jeez Jeff I'm famous.
The only bloke with a VHF on the Forum.

Thanks mate.

And yes it is a marine VHF and it is for work, my business is marine orientated and shipping / Harbor Control use VHF for Port working system.
Very good very clear but only 5 watt and only for local use.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 16:32

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 16:32
Ahhh, John, I remebered reading your Rig Info but couldn't remeber what your name was! I'm amazed how quick you spotted the post! :-P
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Follow Up By: Member - Ivan (ACT) - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 17:18

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 17:18
HF is 3-30 MHz - in any antenna you will get some ground wave, and some sky wave (depending what you are optimised for).

Ground wave is short distance (tens of kilometres) - Sky wave is long distance (generally) and does as Jeff says, use the ionosphere.

Ionosphere layers merge at night meaning higher frequencies which will work during the day, will now go through the ionosphere rather than bounce back to earth off it (desired effect) - difference between end of ground wave and start of sky wave is known as skip zone - all of the above will vary where each kicks in. - General rule, drop freqs down at night, but world wide comms is achievable.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 17:37

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 17:37
Not quite guys. There's a few Radio Hams on this forum. Some have everything from daylight to DC in their trucks.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 17:41

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 17:41
Yeah fair call MadDog, but I don't think Rod is going to want to sit for his amature licence so that he can use a VHF to talk 25kms! Where Rod goes he'd needs the "round the country" coverage of an HF.
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Follow Up By: Bros - Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 18:43

Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004 at 18:43
Jeff M,
I've got an "ICOM" VHF in my truck for volunteer marine rescue associated work on the land.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Aug 12, 2004 at 05:19

Thursday, Aug 12, 2004 at 05:19
Yeah....and John(Vic) has an Electric Toothbrush as well...............LOL
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