Where will my X-Trail go?

Submitted: Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 00:07
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Hi,
Well, now I got my X-Trail what do I do next.

I know it wont go anywhere but it must go somewhere my Ford wagon wouldn't.
:-)

Can anyone suggest some destinations near GoldCoast that I could 'ease' my way into the off road adventures.
ie:
Will the X-TRAIL get me on (and off) Frazer; Morton; Sand in general?
Where have you taken it?
Where have others taken theirs?
Do I need permits to get onto NSW or QLD Beaches?

Magoo
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Reply By: Member - Mungo Explorer (NSW) - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 01:06

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 01:06
I've never sat in an X-Trail let alone driven one, and don't know the specs, but the answer is: suck it and see. Don't do anything rash but push the envelope. As long as you carry a snatch strap and have a solid recovery point, and don't go anywhere really remote, people will pull you out if you go too far. Join a 4wd driving course and have fun discovering the limits!
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce (San Diego) - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 03:07

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 03:07
We've rented an X-Trail from Budget four times now and done about 25,000 km in them through NSW and Queensland. Generally we have found them to be pretty average off road as you would expect ( no low range ) and with road tyres I wouldn't venture too far off road in mud or sand.

But on dry forest trails on the central coast they are pretty good.

Simply put: Don't go anywhere without an exit plan.

Bruce
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 07:11

Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 07:11
Mungo good answer but are you saying go alone and then if it goes wrong wait till some one comes along to pull you out.
I think I would suggest to go with another truck and work as a buddy.
Definatly join a club or do a course.

All the best
Eric

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Follow Up By: Member - Mungo Explorer (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:19

Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:19
No, just a way of saying don't go anywhere where noone will pull you out, and bring straps etc so they can if needed.
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 06:24

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 06:24
I have seen a few X-Trails on Fraser, gathered around Eli Creek. I don't think they would be a good option for a trip up to the lighthouse, but for general driving around the island they seem to handle it OK. Lack of low range limits your options.

There are some concerns about anthing other than very shallow water crossings because the air intake may be a little low. May be worth checking this out before attempting anything too serious.

You need a permit to get onto Fraser, available from the NPWS office at Rainbow Beach. Best idea is to check as you go, as many NSW beaches will not allow beach driving. The run from Tewantin to Rainbow (Called the North Shore, I think) would be fine. Just stay on the hard pack and you'll have no problems.

I drove my mate's X-Trail to Qld and it went fine, but I'd personally be a bit nervous about doing anything too "off-road".

Jack
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Follow Up By: MrMagoo - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 21:41

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 21:41
Jack,
Thanks. It seemed fine on the sand - just kept it on 'lock' in 1st gear and revs up in the soft stuff. The ait intake is a narrow plastic oriffice about 6x1 inches at the top of the grill pointed forward. Noted.

Thanks
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Reply By: Member - Peter K (NSW) - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 06:27

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 06:27
Magoo
Ther is a growing list of xtrailers and trip reports at
www.xtrail.australia4wd.com

You may find some answers there, I am sure they will welcome you
cheers
Pete
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 08:35

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 08:35
Its not only where will it go, it depends on your skills as well..

Why not join up with a club, do some driver training, meet other people, arrange soem basic trips with them, and while your there you will find the cars limits, while expanding your knowledge on driving, recoveries, what recovery gear to carry, how to use it etc.

Do the X Trails have recovery points? Didnt really look when the wife was lookin at them, I lent on it, and did about $4k damage to the tin panels. No use going beyond the coles carpark, until you have this sorted out. if you DO need to be recovered, last thing you want to do is $5000 damage to the body work ripping it off while being recovered.

PS. Ive gone further in a good old HT kingswood than many top $ 4b's did in the 80's, so dont put the old Ford down yet....
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 09:00

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 09:00
I've taken a new VT Commodore wagon down a sandy track before. Just had to be real careful. It was a work car though. Never would have taken my own car there.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 09:22

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 09:22
The HT was given to us, and by the end of its life had no doors, glass, tires from the back of the servo heap, and lasted 2 yrs like this.. was only to get over to the shacks on boat harbour on weekends..

There was one bloke out there that took his DADS COMPANY Magna out to the harbour beach one night with a local girly, they were doin the beast with 2 backs, and the tide came up.. The car was stuck below the high tide mark, high tide came up, car bogged, filled with water, and Staf and Kari walked home.

Towed out next morning totally rooted.

ahhhhhhhh those were the days.
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Reply By: Utemad - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 09:03

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 09:03
Why not try "Duck Creek Road". It is a dirt road that goes to O'Reilly's. It is marked on the RACQ maps and has some excellent views. It can be done by a 2wd in the dry so long as you don't stop on some of the steeper sections or on a pile of leaves. Can get very slippery in the wet.

That is where I went for my 2nd 4wd trip ever in my fourbie. It was good fun and there is lots to do when you get to the top too.
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Follow Up By: MrMagoo - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 21:48

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 21:48
Utemad,
Will check out that road - got a mate with a pajero so I will get him out and about too - that way when we get better at it we can get further out and there is a low range available.
thanks
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 09:24

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 09:24
Wouldnt you look into where it can go before you hand over $30+k?
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Reply By: Moose - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 13:35

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 13:35
Try Condamine Gorge track near Queen Mary Falls. Will find it on RACQ map. Can't guarantee how your vehicle will go but it's a pretty easy 4WD track - just don't go after a lot of rain as there are heaps of creek crossings which are normally shallow but could get a bit exciting for the XTrail if flooded.
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Reply By: pjd - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 19:11

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 19:11
take it any where you like & if you get stuck then get your self out its that easy the hard bit would be admiting you own a ford
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Reply By: MAVERICK(WA) - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 19:17

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 19:17
I was 'fortunate' enough to be playing with one in the sand during some driver trng. Once the tyres were down it did ok (the sand was wet and compact) but after a couple of attempts at getting up a hill and once up the top the turn to come down again was just too much. A little flashing light came on which apparently means "I've had enough and need a little rest". Now this wasn't such a big deal and after a couple of minutes sitting and admiring the scenery off we went. Just what happens if this little light comes on half way up a hill (or worse half way down) or in the mud or in the water or.............. I think you need to be very careful where you go in this type of vehicle (I understand these types of 4wd systems are similar across many manufacturers and they all need a 'little rest' every now and then - guess that explains why I'm considered a dinosaur - locking hubs and manual t'fer case). Also before using any type of snatch strap have a really good look underneath (and you will need to get it up on ramps). There is precious little to attach any type of recovery hook to the front and with that big muffler in the rear..........well just don't get stuck. And take note of one the other replies - don't go by yourself for the first couple of adventures. rgds
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 17:56

Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 17:56
"Also before using any type of snatch strap have a really good look underneath (and you will need to get it up on ramps). There is precious little to attach any type of recovery hook to the front and with that big muffler in the rear..........well just don't get stuck...."

Unlikely to get much help if it is really stuck.....who would want the front/rear quarter panel hurled at their "real" 4x4 by a snatch strap at full stretch if the vehicle came apart?????? (I know there is a video of this happening where the entire rear end was pulled from a vehicle JUST BY SNATCHING IN SNOW!!!, I'm sure there is a link for it somewhere)

Hooking through the monocoque body will place severe stresses on it that it was not designed for. Eventually these repeated forces will distort the body permanantly = write-off.

The only softroader that is really capable of having a substantial tow point attatched is a Subaru due to the engine being on a substantial subchassis with adequate 12mm metric fine bolts connecting it to the body, and similarly, to the rear suspension subchassis.
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Reply By: Member - Peter K (NSW) - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 19:37

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 19:37
Despite what some comments are above, You can go lots of places in your xtrail. It does go well on sand and will do forest tracks etc quite well. It does have recovery hooks (referred to in the manual as Towing points - the exact same term used in my patrols.) I have snatched xtrails without a problem. There are two up front and one at the rear. Yes it would be difficult to attach aftermarket hooks. To date Nissan have had no reported problems with the points (as of last tuesday).
Be pleased with your purchase, yep some of the comments are right above about it not being as capable as other "real 4wd" but thats all relative.
Have a look in the boilybilly books (in the shop on this site) for trips around brisbane, and as suggested get some training.
have fun
Peter
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Reply By: MrMagoo - Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 23:40

Monday, Aug 23, 2004 at 23:40
All,
Thanks every one for your replies.
Yes a low range would have solved a lot but as a novated lease the money ran out. I chose the Xtrail because with the softroder competition it - at least - has a 57/43 wheel lock.

Suppose I could have taken the Suzy XL7 but there was too much compromise in the 2nd seat row for the 3rd row that I dont need and doesnt fold flat. etc etc. So there was -some- thought involved.

I always knew it wont go everywhere - but Frazer and Moreton are a good start (thanks Jck) as well as your suggestions - thanks Moose and UteMad.

Yes I will contemplate the training and the XTrail 4by club. Thanks PeteK.

S'oft I go.

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Reply By: MrMagoo - Sunday, Aug 29, 2004 at 22:52

Sunday, Aug 29, 2004 at 22:52
ALL,

took it to Lennox. Called the Ballina council and no permist required in that council area as long as the signs permit 4x access.

I got it onto the beach in a mid to rising tide - brave or stupid- but we were not far from help if needed- my passengers were concerned that they may have to walk back at one stage when I thought I got bogged - I was more concerned that the tide line was lapping the tyres and had 3 more hours to come in.

I will have to admit it - only because it is really funny- I was trying to take off with the handbrake on - the guests were sweating as the tide was rising but they got great mileage out of it ove a few reds!--- now now be nice to me!. HAhahaah.

But it went great in the sand- I went down to South Ballina beach also and zipped along with the 'real' 4x. Managed to scoot up a rather long and soft deep rutted beach exit in one go- Ok as the revs stay around 3000. Dont know if it will get going after coming to a stop in that predicament. Maybe I will find out one day.

Got the snatch kit - suitable to 8K - has a little flex in it - according to the enthusiastic and experienced salesman at Camping Warehouse. The D shakles clear the body without hitting paint.

It was fun anyway. Was told about a good book called Dirty Weekends - will get it and see.

Magoo
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Follow Up By: navaraman - Monday, Aug 30, 2004 at 08:47

Monday, Aug 30, 2004 at 08:47
Sounds like you had fum. I drive on the beach a fair bit and never (OK very rarely) drive below high tide mark unlesss there is no alternative. Sometimes there is no choice but it can be a risky thing to do.

If you bought the shackles at a camping store I'd check the rating just to be sure. I've seen some desribed as suitable for 4wding that I wouldn't use.
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Follow Up By: MrMagoo - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 22:50

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 22:50
Thanks.
The strap has a rating of 8000kg.
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