Exhaust Gas Temperature and chip upgrades

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 16:23
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Hi,

Following on from some discussion a few days ago about Exhaust Gas Temperature in diesels, and the effect on reliability from excessive temperature.
Does anyone know of any investigations of the effect of the performance modifying engine management chips on EGT?
How many people on this forum measure EGT?

Phil I
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 16:34

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 16:34
I have a VDO EGT in a dashpod, with Temp and Boost guage's my car.

I reckon your nuts not to if you have an aftermarket turbo, or start tinkering with yours.

Cheap insurance for sure.
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Reply By: GUPatrol - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 16:47

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 16:47
Phil,

Unless you change air/gas flow as well as adding a chip, ie: exhaust and air inlet, turbo... then you are injecting more fuel and /or at different timings, therefore EGT would also be different (please note the word "different")....

All diesel tuning should be done with an EGT... weather you choose to install one permanently or not is up to you....
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Reply By: Member - John - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 18:59

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 18:59
I fitted a pyrometer to my GU 4.2TD. Would not be with out it. Since turbo and exhaust tmods, MTQ and 3", I am running significantly lower egt for a lot more power. Also run a boost gauge, pays to keep an eye on every thing. Pyrometer is Isspro, colour coded one, VDO boost gauge. Hope this helps.
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Reply By: Member - Lindsay S (Int) - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 19:57

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 19:57
Exhaust gas temperature is the only real time indication available for engine load. The inlet temperature to the turbo is the primary factor involved in turbocharger life. It follows that at prolonged elevated combustion temperatures all other components of the engine are affected. On larger installations seperate pyrometers are used for each cylinder, and in some engines each exhaust valve outlet, and are invaluable for engine condition and performance monitoring.
It is a bit of a mystery why manufacturers of small high speed diesels as fitted to vehicles do not monitor exhaust gas temperature. In the case of those with an ECU it would be a simple matter to cut back the fuel before damage occurs, in conventional engines a guage or idiot light would give some warning. It would certainly stop people lugging in fifth gear. Having read of the failures in Nissan 3 litre engines on this forum most of them seem to involve a holed piston, this is a classic failure due to prolonged combustion temperature problems and I would say that an EGT guage would be cheap insurance for these units, even if it is not the only cause. If it does not get hot enough it cant melt, simple as that. I would not be without an EGT and boost guage in that order and it will almost certainly change some of your driving habits to the advantage of engine life if you fit one for the first time.
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Reply By: Member - Dave (Pilbara) - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 23:45

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2004 at 23:45
Tuning Chips
There is an exellent paper on how chips work or should work.
Any body considering buying a cheap performance boosting chip should read this.
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Reply By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 01, 2004 at 00:07

Wednesday, Sep 01, 2004 at 00:07
Soooooo..... on my venerable 1KZ-TE in the Prado, being a small block turbo unit, do I have anything to worry about? Should I be fitting a guage?

Or being a factory unit is it a case of "In Toyota we trust?"

Is this post purely for those who add aftermarket turbos and/or tuning chips?

Muddy 'doe
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Wednesday, Sep 01, 2004 at 09:17

Wednesday, Sep 01, 2004 at 09:17
fit the dtronic, and your egt's should lower, with more power, that is what I have found, I dont run a EGT gauge all the time though, as I cant see the need.
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Reply By: Outnabout David (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 01, 2004 at 15:16

Wednesday, Sep 01, 2004 at 15:16
No Steven,
You don't need to worry about it on yours as it is all standard. If you want a chip then go Dtronic becaus eof that units in built safety as go_off road alludes to0.
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Reply By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Thursday, Sep 02, 2004 at 12:16

Thursday, Sep 02, 2004 at 12:16
I'd have to agree with GUPatrol - if a chip increases fuelling while the air flow remains the same, it must cause increased EGT.
While my vested interest is obvious, I would think very wise to measure EGT on any turbo-diesel engine that's had [i]any[/i] performance enhancement - either 'chipping' an electronicly-controlled engine or injection pump 'tuning' on mechanically-injected engines.
Even 'standard' engines which are used for heavy work or towing can be damaged by excessive EGT if there's an air flow restriction [clogged filter, collapsing air hoses/ducts, low (yes, low!) boost pressure]. And, IMHO, there's several engines around that should never have been let out of the factory without an EGT gauge - see the notes earlier in the thread about the Patrol 3.0
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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Thursday, Sep 02, 2004 at 12:24

Thursday, Sep 02, 2004 at 12:24
My apologies GUPatrol. I've just re-read your post and noticed the emphasis on 'different', not 'higher'. Sorry for mis-quoting you. But I really can't see how 'more fuel' + 'same air' can ever = lower EGT.
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