K & N Air Filters

Submitted: Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 08:29
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A friend of mine is using K & N air filter in his petrol 80 series cruiser and suggested I give them a go. I have a series 80 diesel 4.2 and was wondering if any of the readers out there can give me any practical info on them.
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Reply By: Baz (NSW) - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 09:10

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 09:10
I have K & N in the Explorer, biggest advantage, re-usable which saves dollars also supposed to improve power & fuel economy, not proved yet in the Explorer but it has made it more responcive although i had no choice as ini-filter, Fina-filter and others don't make a re-usable filter for the Explorer. There are some issues reguarding effecting the MAS (Mas airflow sencor) in certain vehicles.

Baz.
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Reply By: Utemad - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 09:32

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 09:32
I have a K&N air filter in my 2.6 litre petrol Rodeo. It cost me $100 and will last the life of the car. Also bought a cleaning and re-oiling pack for $25.

The original Ryco paper filter was $60 from memory. The cheaper ones were much less but the fuel usage increased with the one I bought.

The K&N filter makes my ute feel more responsive. A small percentage increase pehaps but noticable all the same.

Either way it has paid for itself more than once.
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:12

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:12
Utemad is it a hassel cleaning the thing and do you need to re oil it .
Are they like a fina filter I found them messy and a pain in the butt.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: Baz (NSW) - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:26

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:26
I can answer this, NO and YES would not use anything else, it's what i use in the bike too re-usable only way too go.
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:31

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:31
Eric,

They do need cleaning and re-oiling however it is not at all messy. I have done it once in about 60 000kms. Just take it out and tap it clean occaisionally.

The packet says that they actually work better when a little dirty.

I haven't seen the equivalent FinerFilter so not sure how similar they are. However I remember other Finer Filters being made from that blue foam and this is made from some sort of surgical grade mesh.

The cleaning pack box says to "service the filter every 50,000 to 100,000 miles on street driven applications. Service more often in off-road or heavy dust conditions"

"Let the dirt 'build up' work for you; it will not hurt the performance and actually help filter the air"

Hope this helps.

Works great for me.
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Reply By: Wok - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:00

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:00
I use a K & N to feed a 6.2 diesel, works well in town, but on dirt it clogs up pretty quick. It is a hassle to clean & recharge 'on the road'. I saw a fellow using a water-cleanable Toyota filter( 100 series?), yet to find out if it would fit a 60 series airbox.

He washed it at the end of the day and airdried it for the next day.
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:08

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:08
Wok I was thinking of putting a K&N in my 60 origanal motor with turbo.
Do you have to put oil on the filter like the fina filters or is it a spray type.
Also when you wash the thing do you only wash it in water or do you in another product.
Do you have to use the oil or can you just use the filter.

Many thanks
Eric
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:37

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:37
Cleaning process is:

1: Tap the filter and brush it to dislodge any dirt.

2: Spray on cleaner

3: Rinse off with low pressure water

4: Air dry naturally

5: Re-oil filter (either bottle or spray type)

6: Reinstall

It also says that really really fine dust will pull the oil from the filter (like talcum powder I suppose) and more frequent re-oiling is required.
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Follow Up By: Wok - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:45

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:45
Eric,
I use the supplied cleaning fluid, the oil is dispensed a drop at a time along the pleats.( I use a syringe..the original bottle is a pain). You must use the oil with the filter. You can't use an air wand to blow either ( fabric tears).

I am not convinced that leaving b-dust makes it work 'better'...I need all the air I can get so I guess it would clog up a lot quicker for me.My next step is to fit a Donaldson prefilter for dusty work and see how that goes..after all I wouldn't be doing 100km/hr on dirt!?

Just more crap to carry!
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:56

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:56
Wok,

I would imagine it is the bull dust that they are referring to when they say really fine dust, should be re-oiled more regularly. It is the not so fine dust they refer to as being left in place.

I have reoiled mine once in the 60 000km I have had it. Tap it out every service or after most trips. There was no difference in performance when I cleaned it so I guess It did not need it. I don't have a snorkel.

Spray packs are available for re-oiling too.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:57

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:57
They provide no more power, and IMHO the ONLY advantage is they are reuseable.

I've gone back to paper filters for mine.
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Follow Up By: Well 55 - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 12:55

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 12:55
The other great advantage is that they make good fire lighters.

Yep I'll stick with the paper after seeing a petrol vehicle catch fire when it backfired through the carbie and the Finer Filter caught fire.
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 14:35

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 14:35
Finer filters and K&N filters are of different construction. Unless my K&N uses flammable type oil I couldn't see that happening.

Don't you think a 'paper' filter will burn LOL
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Follow Up By: Well 55 - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 14:49

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 14:49
It will only smoulder and that is with direct flame, try that with a oil dampened foam filter.
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 15:05

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 15:05
Like I said FF and K&N filters are different. K&N are made from surgical gauze and a metal type mesh for support with plastic upper and lower rings.

FF are foam.

Then again we have backfired a VW buggy with a FF sock type filter and it never burned.

Perhaps he went overboard with the oiling or was just plain unlucky.
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Reply By: Bryan (WA) - Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 16:30

Monday, Oct 11, 2004 at 16:30
I have a K&N filter fitted to my 4.2EFI GQ, and cant be happier with it!! It definately allows the engine to breathe easier and rev faster. Also I dont get the "lack of air" alarm come on,like I did with paper filters!!
Cleaning is easy, and when I travel in the bush,I always take a spare air cleaners as a backup (which is a Uni-filter and a paper filter - gotta have all bases covered)....
I ahve never yet had an issue with their the Uni-filter or the K&N filter clogging and becoming an issue.

regards
Bryan
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Follow Up By: Uppy - Member - Sunday, Nov 07, 2004 at 09:42

Sunday, Nov 07, 2004 at 09:42
Hi Bryan.How much do they cost,I think I will give one a go
regards uppy
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Reply By: duncs - Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 00:36

Tuesday, Oct 12, 2004 at 00:36
See my response to post 16953
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Reply By: Dennis (Mackay) - Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 20:28

Wednesday, Oct 13, 2004 at 20:28
In my 2.6 rodeo, big difference. More power, better response.

In my 5lt Commodore, bigger difference

In my FJ1200 motorbike, small difference.

But on thing is consistent, reusable, cheaper in the long run.
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Reply By: Avid explorer - Sunday, Nov 07, 2004 at 08:29

Sunday, Nov 07, 2004 at 08:29
Ive had K&N's in all my vehicles. Patrol GQ 4.2 litre diesel, Vr Commodore, Crusier VX 4.2l TD and a 92 Fairlane. Don't think i need to tell u what i think of em lol. The biggest question is why do u want 1? If its for better fuel economy and more power then yes it will make a slight difference.
BUT i reckon your CRAZY if u dont do it proply. Its a 4.2 litre diesel. NO turbo stock standard i take it? If it is GET REAL. They need to breath proply before u bother with a better filter. These are the things u will need to get the thing going better.
1. a snorkel
2. a K&N Filter
3. at least 1 if not 2 Hiclones.
I have had this setup in the 4wd's ive had and have m8s that have copied my setup as well. We live in Cairns (serious 4wd capital) and we do tend to use them a bit lol.
The thing needs to breath. u need to get it down the throat then through all that lovely fresh air into the b..tard as fast and effeciently as possible.
With a standard truck as u have got it will most likely set u back around $600-$800 however that Cruiser wont be the same again and u will be shaking your head as to why other blokes havent done the same.
One word of advise though. DONT use the K&N off road. I always take a standard (clean) air filter with me to use just in case. Depends on how long u want to keep the truck as well. Its just me being a little anal retentive.

Good luk m8 :)
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