'Return to centre' steering dampers
Submitted: Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:55
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V8Diesel
Anyone had any experience with the spring loaded return to centre type of steering damper? Bloke at the tyre
shop recommended getting one for the Patrol but I don't know anything about them. They sound like a good idea.
Typed in 'return to centre'...... all that came up was 'address unknown'
......'no such number'
Time to leave building....
Reply By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 11:08
Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 11:08
Never had one but they sound like a bit of a gimmick to me.
Vehicle manufaturers go to a lot of trouble to design steering geometry with good self-centring characteristics. All one of these spring-loaded dampers would seem to do, to me, is (a) put extra stress on the steering box and linkages, as they have to compress one of
the springs every time you turn the wheel and (b) partially defeat the damper itself - the damper has to now resist the spring force as
well as any 'natural' kick-back forces.
I'll stand corrected if anyone has some good scientific reasoning but they don't seem to be a very logical device to me. Maybe for heavily modified competition mackines?...
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Reply By: Member - Rick (S.A.) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 16:19
Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 16:19
Yo, good thing
I had a pull to the left in my GU Patrol, from new.
Nissan said it was within Spec.
Fitted a one dgree castor kit.
heaps better, still pulled a bit.
Fitted a return to centre ------>> problem gone
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 16:44
Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 16:44
That's about what the tyre guy reckoned with the return to centre, thanks for the drum on that Rick.
My Patrol's not bad with the pull to the left thing, just doesn't track as 'true' as my old HJ75 for example which I'd like to remedy if possible.
He also said you only have one crack at the dial in castor kit, so make sure to get someone who is very experienced with them for the install (and to his credit, he said to go to someone else for fitting)
What brand of damper did you get and roughly how much?
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 19:26
Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 19:26
Gotta agree,
I've got one on my GU too and took away most of the shimmy I previously used to suffer.
Good idea.
Vehicle manufacturers use the cheapest items they can get away with that will do the job on good (bitumen) roads with highway style tyres etc. Once we start moving to bigger, more aggressive treads and adding heavier springs etc the standard damper (and a lot of other components) are found to be wanting.....
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Follow Up By: Topcat (WA) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 21:10
Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 21:10
I concur with the above. My Troopy used to pull a bit to the left so I fitted one about 18 months ago & haven't had a problem since. Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - Rick (S.A.) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 22:03
Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 22:03
Been a while (5 years) since I bought it. Think I paid about $150.
Brand is Tough Dog. It has an external spring mechanism & I understand it is the only one available in that configuration.
Took about 20 mins to fit at home.
Cheers
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Reply By: ianmc - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 23:31
Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 23:31
Front end shimmy is most likely caused by insufficient castor angle and a return to centre damper may only mask the problem.
In Sept I was about to be passed by a near new road service Landcruiser ute near
Anakie Qld whilst I was dawdling along & as it pulled out to pass me the most alarming shimmy I have ever seen commenced with the front wheels swinging from side to side by about 10 inches from centre.
Thought something had to break but the driver backed right off till it disappeared
then was later able to pass me at a gentle pace. So much for official road service vehicles, wonder if it was a Toyota dealership?
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Reply By: 80scruiser - Monday, Nov 01, 2004 at 12:56
Monday, Nov 01, 2004 at 12:56
They look good and steer good but it makes them a bugger to work on the front end when you need to keep the wheels turned full lock whilst jacked up for eg. doing brakes with out disconnecting them.
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