Dry Ice in the esky
Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 14:53
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rengatt
Hi all, just starting up and need to budget to get all the right gear so I have to improvise on a few things (read this as my missus isn't keen on the dough I have already spent). I usually head off for 2-3 days at a time (fishing) and find that dry ice in the esky is the way i can keep things from going off. The problem is that after 4-5 trips the inside liner of the esky distorts and reduces the esky volume. Have been told the Dry ice causes this. Does any on know of an esky that is resistant to the effects of dry ice and will last longer being used like this. I know this is false economy and in the long run it would be cheaper to buy a proper unit but as mentioned before immediate cost is the issue. I would also prefer to wait till I can afford the right unit. Thanks in advance
Reply By: fozzy - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 15:02
Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 15:02
rengatt
dont know much about dry ice but if u take meat along on your trips then can buy it kryovacked(not right spelling) and it will last for weeks in fridge temp ie by last of your 3 days fridge may still be cold but not able to cool down warm stubbies.
added bonus is that blood doesnt mix with rest of contents and there is minimal packaging so can fit more stuff in to start with.
all it is is vaccummed(prob not right spelling again) sealed
instead of dry ice have u tried block ice ?
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Follow Up By: rengatt - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 15:14
Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 15:14
Thanks fozzy,
we have a vacuum machine at home that we seal our foodstuffs in before we leave home to stop the blood problem. The problem with block ice is that it takes up to much space in the eskie. We freeze 4 lt containers that we take with us and use this for
drinking water as it melts down.
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Reply By: flappan - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 15:07
Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 15:07
If you are going down this path , the Eskies made by EvaKool or Waeco , or the Tropical Eskies , would be a better option. I think the Tropical 65l costs about $170. My 65l Waeco Icebox cost me $250 , reduced from $300. Expensive , but IMO worth it.
As for Dry ice , I haven't used it for ages. I find for 3 or 4 days , self made block ice (frozen icecream container frozen for several days prior) lasts long enough. Also , we use frozen milk bottle or cordial bottles. Have a
water supply when they thaw out.
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Follow Up By: rengatt - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 15:45
Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 15:45
are the units you mention powered if so they will probably be the way or me to go. I reckon I could hide a couple of hundred bucks from the missus.
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Follow Up By: flappan - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 16:04
Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 16:04
No , they are ice boxes , not fridges (made by the same mob though).
The EvaKool is essentially the same thing as the Fridge , but without the lecky bits.
made from Fibreglass.
the Tropical ones are a fancy plastic (polycarbonate ??) , with about an inch of PROPER insulation in it.
Boaties use them.
Fridges start around the $700 mark.
dont know how to link , so here's the EvaKool website
http://www.evakool.com.au/evakool.shtml
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Follow Up By: flappan - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 16:09
Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 16:09
I have a Waeco 65l.
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Reply By: fozzy - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 15:23
Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 15:23
no worries -my reply was bit off subject but thought worth putting my 2 bob in
good luck-someone will have the answer
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Follow Up By: rengatt - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 15:24
Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 15:24
no prob, thanks for the reply
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 17:07
Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 17:07
Gday, Try this for a tip,
Haunt your local garage sales you may come up with an old weaco or engal for a couple of hundred bucks. After all the compressor type fridg is the best bet for storage of the liquid of life.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 21:03
Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 21:03
Good Luck trying to find an old Engel for $200. Blokes with the old green/yellow Engels are still asking $600+.
Maybe an old Chescold (Gas/240v/12v) in rough nick could be had for $200. They run very
well on gas, especially useful if you stay in one spot.
Just my experience.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Reply By: bundyman - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 07:57
Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 07:57
Rengatt,
Are you keeping the dry ice wrapped in plenty of paper while its in the esky?? If you are then you might also need to put a bit of foam from a brocolli box under it and beside it to insulate it from the walls of the esky. I used to use dry ice all the time before I sold the missus and bought a fridge (great deal) and didn't have any dramas with it in cheap eskies. Good luck
Cheers,
Hughesy
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Follow Up By: rengatt - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 08:07
Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 08:07
That's probably my problem, I have a metal sleeve that I slide the dry ice into before placing directly into the esky. I'll have a go at wrapping it up in some paper and try the foam to keep it out of direct contact with the esky. If that doesn't work I'll post a sale notice for the missus. thanks for the advice Hughesy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rohan - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 10:15
Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 10:15
The metal sleeve won't stop your problem as the metal will get almost as cold as the dry ice. The paper/foam suggestion above will overcome the problem.
Also as suggested above, keep an eye on the various 4x4
forum classifieds. I saw a Waeco 65 litre icebox go for $200 recently.
My 65 litre EvaKool cost me $300 (factory second). We make our own block ice (only use 12 litres of ice instead of the recommended 26 litres) and it can still last us between 5 and 10 days (yes, really!).
A good icebox is your best solution.
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Reply By: Nudenut - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 08:07
Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 08:07
dry ice is too cold....and this could be the cause of the trouble.
I make my own ice as the ice bought at pubs or ice works is usually only down to -10 or 12 degrees
making your own it should get down to -20 or more and will easily last a week.
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Reply By: shaggy - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 12:57
Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 12:57
Depending on the temperature that you want to keep in your esky, you can select the ice that you want to carry. Dry ice is frozen carbon dioxide, and its temp is -71 deg C. This is cold enough to cause constriction of polymer chains in eskys made from thermoplastics, and as such, the dry ice needs to be
well insulated so that the outside surface of the insulation is much warmer.
Otherwise, you can get fiberglass eskys, like waeco, evakool, engel that can take the dry ice on its own, but the problem is that you will freeze any liquids that you want to keep in the esky. Things like juice or milk.
What I use is a salt
water mixture, that I can set at the right concentration to give me anywhere between -21 down to 0 deg C (pure
water no salt). So if you want to keep your esky at -10 deg C you will need approx 12% w/w NaCl in H20.
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Reply By: Member - PatC - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 13:35
Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 13:35
Hi Rengatt
As stated earlier, wrapping the dry ice in paper will stop your esky warping and will also help the dry ice last longer.
On another point... We had a guy nearly kill himself by leaving an esky full of dry ice in his station wagon overnight. As the dry ice melted it forced the oxygen out of the car. He jumped in to go to work the next morning, thought he was having an asthma attack and started to drive to the hospital 25 minutes away. Luckily he realised what was happening and got out of the car before he passed out.
See Ya
PatC
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Follow Up By: rengatt - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 16:41
Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 16:41
Didn't know about the fact that it could deplete the oxygen levels in the wagon. I'll make sure there is plenty of air getting in. Thanks to all for your advice. Work mate showed me ebay so I'll have a look around on that for a proper unit.
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