amp gauge

Submitted: Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 19:04
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One for the auto elecs, how do you wire up an amp gauge ? 2 terminals 1= + the other is marked - .. how in the sequence of things do you wire up, say to give reading of how many amps the 12v fridge is drawing.
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Reply By: Woobla (WA) - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 19:47

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 19:47
Ammeters work in "series" ie they are placed in the cable between the battery and the Fridge.
I would cut the +ve wire coming from the battery and connect to term 1 and the other wire going to the fridge on term 2.
Where you do this is another story but that is the basics
Iam a 240v electrician and that is the way I would do it on my vehicle.
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Follow Up By: TheUndertaker - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 19:56

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 19:56
Thats what I thought ,thank you.
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Reply By: Chaz - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 20:44

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 20:44
Hi Undertaker,

If you want to install an ampmeter in your vehicle, you should install it using three wires, so that you can measure the charge rate and discharge rate assuming you have a center zero meter.

Assuming you have two batteries and an isolator of some type, all you have to do is chop into the main wire between the isolator and the auxillary battery and wire terminal 1 or + to the dead side of the isolator along with the wire to your fridge. Then wire terminal 2 or - to the auxillary battery.

This way you can see if your auxillary battery is getting charged and by turning off the motor and opening the isolator, you can see how much the fridge is drawing. One thing to remember is that if you have a 30 amp meter you must at least use 30 amp cable.

Personally I wouldn't put an amp meter inside the vehicle. If you must have one, mount it near the auxillary battery under the bonnet. I'm only saying this because I've seen a few cars burn because of amp meters...Valiants were bad for it.

Good Luck

Chaz
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:03

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:03
Someone I was chatting with the other day mentioned that amp meters were bad for causing fires. First I had heard of it but now you say the same thing. Can you elaborate.
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:11

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:11
Mad Dog

I think the main reason is because your running large unfused cables through the firewall. Any short circuits and your toast! Also often the cables are undersized and because ther'e in the loom, it melts the lot.

Chaz
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Reply By: hl - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 20:59

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 20:59
Hi,

If it is one of the common automotive ameters that reads 30-0-30 or 60-0-60 and you want to use it to see your fridge power consumption, don't waste your time.
The meter deflection will be barely noticable when the fridge is running.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:20

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:20
HL

I think you would see a deflection on a 30 amp meter, but it wouldn't be as accurate. As we know most fridges draw between 3 and 5 amps, so a better option would be to use a volt meter with a 10 amp shunt or better still, use a digital amp meter with a shunt. Then you could leave all the wiring under the bonnet and the meter inside the cab.

Chaz
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:36

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:36
or the other option a DC clamp meter which can be used for spot readings all over the vehicle. DSE have them for $168....1000 amps 1.5% accuracy
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Follow Up By: Member - Luxoluk - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:55

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:55
Jaycar had an interesting little unit which was housed in a clear plactic case which from memory also displayed voltage. Probably good enough to measure the draw from accessories.
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Follow Up By: David Au - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 22:36

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 22:36
Jaycar have a good digital kit, but you need a good level of expertise to assemble the kit. 0-80amp or 30-0-30 Works without a shunt and is accurate. Part No. KC5336 $74.95
Keep away from shunt type meters if you can on 12v or put a switch into the circuit to activate them as they drop the voltage to much particularly on auxiliary battery systems.
Jaycar also have a Digital Voltage and Current Terminal Block Part No. QP5550 $49.95. You would have to see if the mounting suited you.
Jaycar Electronics
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Follow Up By: David Au - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 22:39

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 22:39
Why actually bother how much current is being used on a fridge.
You can work on 3.5 amps for most fridges.
Rather look at an XC0116 from Jaycar with temperature for your fridge and voltage which will indicate how much battery capacity you have left.
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Reply By: drivesafe - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 22:21

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 22:21
Hi TheUndertaker, another idea would be to get a cheap amp meter of about 10 amp reading and just put it in the wire going to the fridge.
The is also a small clamp device that is used as an add on for a normal multi meter. You could set this clamp up at the existing battery cable or fridge cable and the run some wire from the clamp to a multi meter set up in the cab. Not a great set up as a permanent fixture but it is a good set up that lets you easily check different wires all over the vehicle without having to cut any of them.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Collyn R (WA) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 16:29

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 16:29
Be cautious with ammeters.

These must be wired in series with whatever you need to measure. No problem if you can mount and still read the meter without extending the wiring - but if you need to extend cabling you will increase the voltage drop.

If you really must do this - follow the advice to use a so-called current shunt. This is connected in series with a main battery cable and a pair of thin wires go the a voltmeter (that is calibrated in amps). With is setup distance does not matter.

Forget the 0-30-0 meter idea. These things are wildy inaccurate and it would barely move at all with a fridge's typical 2.0 -3.5 amp draw.
Collyn Rivers

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