Piranha Dual Battery Systems

Submitted: Sunday, Dec 05, 2004 at 21:27
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Hi all

I saw acouple of replies to a DBS question querying the reliability of these systems. As I am about to purchase a DBS I thought to maybe make it a topic in itself. I looked at the Piranha and it sure looks simple to install - but I don't want to do it more than once.

Have also looked at the TJM system and it looks just like a P - is it?

We have a 90 series Prado TD and I want a system that will protect the electronics as well as the DBS function. Inclined then to the "black box" type rather than the solenoid type. I have seen several posts on the Redarc (?) as a good system but not sure on its "protection" capabilities.

Comments or suggestions appreciated.

Thanks
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Reply By: GO_OFFROAD - Sunday, Dec 05, 2004 at 21:55

Sunday, Dec 05, 2004 at 21:55
What are you wanting to protect the electronics from?
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Follow Up By: GazzaS (VIC) - Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 16:22

Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 16:22
In all honesty not really sure. I have just seen a number of posts saying it is important to protect from spikes etc where vehicle has the more sophisticated electronics (whether they are needed/liked or not LOL).

So I guess I am just trying to make sure all the bits are covered.
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2004 at 22:13

Sunday, Dec 05, 2004 at 22:13
Hi GazzaS

My understanding of the DBS system is that it has a "smart" control box inside the cab with LED's to show battery voltage for each battery and simply operates an ordinary solenoid, unlike the Piranha DBE isolator which is a fully electronic isolator. I do not know if the DBS has spike protection (the DBE does). I haven't used either of these systems as I have found the redarc to be a more cost effective solution.

The redarc is a solenoid but has a "smart" controller that isolates at ~12.6V and joins at ~13.6V. It is fully spike protected and at ~$100 trade price, is far better value for $ IMHO. I have mine wired up such that a LED in the cab lights up when the batteries are isolated. This has the added benefit that if the LED comes on in normal operation, you know there is a problem with one of your batteries before its too late.

Also, I have a manual switch to join both batteries together in the event the main battery is flat (or using the winch and want both batteries in curcuit). I believe the DBS system also has this feature, but not the DBE.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: David Au - Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 00:40

Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 00:40
I would buy the Redarc in preference to any other 12v battery isolator system. Here is the information about the Redarc spike protection
None of the all electronic battery isolators let the auxiliary battery charge to full capacity.

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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 17:33

Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 17:33
My Home made Jaycar kit bit the dust the other week and I replaced it with an Arrid Smart Relay from the 12v Shop. Very similar to the redarc but instead of being voltage sensitive it has a preset delay before switing charge onto the Aux battery.

Works fine for me as I have a 17 Plate starter battery which charges very quickly to recover from starting, then the deep cycle get's the full 14.4V off the alternator with no voltage drop.

$135 inc GST you can't go wrong IMO.

I looked at all the fancy shmancy stuff and thought that the $500 could be better spent on other things. I already have a volt meter and alarm on the dash for the aux and the surf's engine is full of ECU electronics and the smart relaly hasn't damaged anything yet...

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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 05, 2004 at 22:18

Sunday, Dec 05, 2004 at 22:18
I take it you mean protection from spikes when switching? Is that correct? If you want the full kit then maybe go for a Piranha or TJM system. ARB have one also and can supply the kit including a deep cycle battery, the batterys actually reasonably priced. The Redarc will protect from switching spikes and is a good unit, I have fitted one to our Patrol. If you're handy (I don't mean just around the corner) then going the Redarc and doing the work yourself will probably be a cheaper option. I found that the ARB battery tray at around $80 was $50 cheaper than the TJM and another brand that escapes me at the moment and just as serviceable. Made up the cables myself and crimped the ends etc, a bit of heat shrink to make it look professional and it works great and definitely the most cost effective way to go.
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Reply By: Member - Ray (SA) - Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 09:25

Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 09:25
G'Day GazzaS, I think the post you were talking about was one I put up. I did install the DBS system in and have had no problems with it 4 months down the track.

I also did the installation myself and did not have any major dramas other than hooking the main battery end up first instead of the isolator first. Few sparks but no harm done.

I've been running a 32L Engel fridge off the battery almost non-stop now for about 3 days and the whole system seems to work ok

Cheers,
Ray
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Reply By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 19:13

Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 19:13
Gazza,

All I know about Pirahna is that they are bloody expensive. They quoted me over $900 for a small (about 55 amp wet cell DC) installation which was near useless for my needs. Would be lucky to give me an effective 20 amps per day. There's not a lot of room under the bonnet of a Jerry Can for a second Batt without major relocation; equals major dollars.

Chris at Battery World Wantirna installed a 100 amp Lifeline AGM Batt cabled to the back of the car, smart solenoid and Anderson plugs which makes it a portable power supply into the bargain. Cost a lot less than Pirahna for a lot more power and versatility.

Worth some thought.

Cheers,

Jim.
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Reply By: GazzaS (VIC) - Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 19:23

Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 19:23
thanks all for the replies

have decided now on the Redarc with an Ariel DC battery - 100 Amp hour for $143. Can get a reasonable price on the redarc form local Auto Elec and maybe even fitted, for less than the piranha cost from TJM supply only.

Cheers

GazzaS
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 19:43

Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 19:43
One last thought Gaz.

Add another $150 and get a 100 amp AGM Batt? They charge up many times quicker than a wet cell and will charge to near 100% where a wet cell will only get to 70-80% from the car.

I reckon they're worth every cent.

Good luck with your projects,

Jim.
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Follow Up By: Nick - Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 16:19

Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 16:19
I'll second that.

The extra $ is well worth it for the fast charging capability of an AGM
Deep cycle and fast charging - you can't beat it

Mine is also a Lifeline AGM isolated by a Redarc and both are working well

Nick
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