Warning of Vehicle Thefts via the Internet
Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 22:26
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To all members and users of this website and
forum,
I am posting this to warn you all of a scam going around with for sale ads beinbg placed on the internet on wesites such as this. I have been caught in it, thankfully with only the loss of va few hundrerd dollars, but several others haven't been so lucky and have lost their vehicles.
I advertised my Nissan Patrol on this website a few weeks agho and was contacted by a Julia Williams a vehicle broker fromn London wishing to purchase it on behalf of her client. After sending her some photos and negotiating a final sale price I was promised a cheque was on its way to me.
Approximately 3 weeks later a $35,000 euro cheque arrived by registered mail from the Netherlands. The cheque was a bankers draft from a Irish Bank. The euro figure converted to approximately $60,000 Australian. I was to send the balance of the money after deducting my sale price and fees for western union money transfers and other associated costs bank to a person in Amstredam.
My bank told me when I bankecd the cheque it would take approximetely 4 weeks to clear as it was an international cheque. I informed "Julia Willams" of this and she was frustrated but said go ahead and send the balance bank once the cheque cleared.
Today my bank contacted me saying if i hadn't already had the vehicle picked up don not let it go as the cheque I had banked was a forgery. This has cost me $160 euro or approximate $320 Australian in dishonour fees, but at least I've still got my car.
I'm hoping by posting this it will stop other people getting caught in this scam. So far it has caught 28 people in Australia and netted the thieves approximately $1.5 million Australian. So as you can see its
well organised and quite
well set up. Please everyone out there be extremely cautious if an overseas buyer contacts you to purchase your 4WD.
Regards
Don Campbell
Reply By: Member - Smocky (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 00:04
Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 00:04
First things first, never accept international cheques for anything.
It is extremely unusual for anyone to send a cheque overseas. Any normal transaction would be done using a TT (Telegraphic Transfer) or a money transfer. You just can't send cheques internationally, they're not reckognised and not honoured. Some Bank Cheque's are, but as I said, this is extremely unusual.
Always insist in money transfers into an account that has no credit and a very small balance.
The problem with finding them is jurisdiction. No law enforcement agency here really can do much about it. The transaction will jump 3 national borders, end up in the Cayman's and that's the end of that.
There's stacks of these sort's of things going round.
Remember the old adage, if it seems to good to be true, it is.
Cheers,
Smocky.
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Reply By: 3.0turbob - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:49
Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:49
Speaking of scams, I received a letter from Spain!! last week (correct name and address), telling me I'd won US$615,000:00 in their lottery, but because of a "mix up" with their numbers they don't have any bank account details to deposit the winnings, and could I fax them my bank details so they could pay me "without delay". YEAH RIGHT.
But as has been mentioned before lots of people get "stung" by these things.
I'm trying to find a Government body to pass this letter on to, maybe they can track them down.
Rob
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Reply By: Austravel - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:30
Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:30
Scammers are everywhere. I was in a small restaurant a couple of years ago out west and noticed a foreign note framed and sitting on the counter. Turns out a group of elderly tourists came in late one night, his only customers for the night, explained they had only been in the country a couple of days, hadn't exchanged enough of their money etc, etc, etc. They seemed very nice and trust worthy he told me. They told him that the 1,000,000 ?? note they had with the exchange rate was equal to $100. So he feeds them, he said they eat the best on the menu, drink
well and in total costs just under $1,000 for the group. He said they paid in these 1,000,000 notes and tipped him another. You guess it these trustworthy elderly tourists had passed over real money but worth only a few aussie dollars. Can't remember the country but the money almost looked like toy money, brightly coloured. Reckons he can laugh about it now but at the time could have wrung their necks and his for being so gullible.
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Reply By: ExplorOz Team - Juliana - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:00
Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:00
We are aware of these Scammers (see Scam Alert warning from the Trader Section below) and we now
check every email that comes through the trader section and if it looks like it is a scammer, they get banned. We feel we are getting on top of this.
If you are concerned about an email that you received, we have asked that you forward it to us and we will look at it.
In general, I suggest that you ignore all international enquiries especially the ones that mention Western Union and sending money to their shipping agent.
Regards,
Juliana
Warning from Trader Section:
Scam Alert
It has come to our attention that there are a number of scammers trying to use the trader system. Please be aware that we are doing all we can to stop this however be very careful in your dealings with people using free email accounts (such as hotmail and yahoo). You will also be able to identify these scammers as when you come to closing the sale they will advise that they want your personal details and/or will want to send payments via cheque for more than the sale amount, they will request that you write a cheque for the difference and give to them or a shiping company. DO NOT TAKE THESE DEALS instead please forward the email to info@exploroz.com and we will ban the account.
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Reply By: Willem - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:58
Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:58
Aaaahhhhh Don
This scam is approximately three years old and has surfaced on many occasions on this site and others. I too was targeted..fortunately I was aware of the scam through reading this
forum some years ago. I had four different scammers target my vehicle for sale and some of them were quite believable but the minute they mentioned a foreign bank then I smelt a rat.
Normally an overseas draft takes a week to clear as our banking industry is regulated to that. But the actual clearance of the draft takes about a month and it is then that you find out the truth! Your bank has done you a favour by not
clearing the draft sooner as you would have been severely out of pocket. It is a different form of money laundering.
You have been had! A valuable lesson no doubt.
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