Dome tent vs Canvas centre pole ???

Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 23:37
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I currently have a 4 man dome tent that is now too small for my family (2+2). As we all know, while a 4 man dome tent may fit 4 men head to toe, by the time one has packed in a double air mattress and 2 singles, you struggle to actually get into the tent, never mind the odd bag of clothes, kids cuddly bears etc... Bottom line is, I need to upsize my tent.

Normally I have my camper van when on holidays, but need a tent for the occassional trip where I cannot take my van (or when I should not!!! - had a repair bill for many $$$$ recently, but thats another story). So, a tent will not get much use (say 1-3 times a year) and is mainly used on an overnight stop, 2 nights at the most (ie. weekend 4WD camping trips). Basically I do not want to spend a fortune on something that will not get a huge amount of use, but do not want something that falls to pieces after 1 or 2 uses.

I have used dome tents for many years and basically like them. I find them warmer than a "single skin" canvas tent, relatively easy to put up and pretty well self supporting on sand etc with a few well placed sand pegs. And I can get a resonable quality 6 man dome with front vestibule for under $200 that I can easily stand in.

My experience with canvas tents is limited to the old style "cabin" type that take half the night to put up, but sure have plenty of room. But, many people rave about the centre pole family tourer types and after taking a look at them they seem to have some good points. They seem even quicker to put up than a dome (just stake it out and raise the pole) and have good useable floor space.

But I am unsure of their perfomance on either sand or very hard clay surfaces as the stability seems very dependant on how good the tent is staked out, unlike a dome tent (is this correct?). Also, the ones I am looking at are in the $350 price range, not the Southern Cross type quality, so will they be strong enough, waterproof and are the poles of accepatble quality? Remeber though, only a few uses per year tops - the van is just too dam comfortable and after 20+ years of tenting I think I have earnt a bit of comfort;)

To wind up this long winded post, what do those who have used both dome and centre pole tents prefer? Also, if I do go centre pole, will the "cheap" one last for ~20 uses (probably 10 years of tenting for me these days) or should I spend the extra dollars and go for top quality?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 23:44

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 23:44
Aussie Disposals canvas centre pole tent $249.00 ... hard to beat!
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Reply By: Member - John - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 23:52

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 23:52
Captain, my to cents worth. I have a good touring canvas tent, centre pole and also a mesh dome tent, with solid cover as well. It is big enough to stand up in, you could fit 8 people in it if needed and it doubles as a fly proof eating area etc. I hardly use the touring tent at all nowadays. I have just ordered a Camper Trailer and will carry the Mesh dome tent in the camper. It is very versitile, but maybe not as robust as a canvas tent. As I said, my two cents worth. Hope it helps, any specific questions, please ask.
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Reply By: Member - Smocky (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 23:56

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 23:56
G'day Captain,

I've used both, though haven't used a centre canvas for a while.

I just went through a similar excercise and decided on the dome 6 man tent with the front vestibule, typically called a 6v Plus. We have 2 kids, 6yo and 3.5yo and wanted the tent for the same reason, 1 or 2 nights. We have a large canvas cabin style tent for longer stays.

The Dome tent is lighter, packs smaller, has better ventilation, has better light inside during the day, has more floor space, is cheaper, dries quicker and generally was a better option for us.

We looked at them both and you would have to go with a PLUS canvas pole tent as well, to get the back bit that sticks out. This makes them pretty pricey and big and bulky to carry. Plus, we thought the pole would get in the way when trying to organise the kids.

So whether we made the right decision or not, we've gone with the 6VPlus dome for our weekender. If I get 10 years out of it, I'll be very happy. For only a couple hundred dollars, I'm not expecting it to be the last tent I buy.

Cheers,

Smocky.

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Follow Up By: Kata - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 02:32

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 02:32
Hi Smocky,

I am in the same boat, looking for a new tent.
What brand/where did you get the "6VPlus dome"??
How much was it?
Does the place u got it or manufacturer have a link

cheers
much appreciated

Kon
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Follow Up By: Member - Smocky (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:47

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:47
G'day Kon,

I purchased a 6VPlus from Camping World in Castle Hill. It's not a cheap store, but in the words of Truckster, I was there, they had 1 left, I had the cash and the chick had nice norks.

Ended up with the Oz Trail v Plus. Paid $299. Same this is at ,a href="http://www.discountcamping.com.au/index/products/5+persondome/tents#672">Discount Camping in SA for $239, so look around and haggle.

Cheers,

Smocky.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 07:50

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 07:50
Centerpole by 10000 miles.

Having had numerous Domes, and now having finally made the investment in a Southern Cross, I should have done it 10 yrs ago..

Remembering you can sell SCross tents in 10 yrs time from now for more than you paid, they are an investment.

Awill has had his for over 10 yrs...
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Follow Up By: Member - Stillthinkinaboutit - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:01

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:01
I agree with Truckster.

Go the center pole.

The domes are way to fiddly.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:10

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:10
Also work on the fact you can have a Center pole tent up INSIDE 5 mins in the pi$$ing down rain, and your inside comfortable.
4 pegs, 1 pole, and you can sleep.

Try that with a Dome.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rick (S.A.) - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 20:51

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 20:51
As a former dome tent user, go the center pole.

Had one tent for the three billy lids, one for us, i.e.mum & dad. As youngsters, the 3 or 4 person dome was a hoot for the billies to have their own space. But they did not last well, so went agian i.e. have had 4 of the domes.

Bought a 2nd hand Freedom brand tent for half price - it will last for years longer than the dome tents.

Quick
easy
tough
great to stand up in Vs dome tentz

Cheerz
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Reply By: bushfix - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:09

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:09
G'day Captain,
why not just buy a 2by dome for the kids and keep your existing one for you. A bit more room, privacy and perhaps a better night's sleep for all.

cheers,

Jeremy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 13:38

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 13:38
Captain, that's exactlly what we have a 2p dome tent for the kids and our larger one for us!
But in saying that, It's only a matter of time before we get a centre pole canvas as the domes give me the shts. Sure they go up quick (ish) but taking them down, packing up the fly yada yada yada, what a pain in the ass.

We will get a centre pole that is comfortable for me and the missus but can squeeze the kids in on the overnight stays, longer stays the kids can work out how to put their own damn tent together and I'll have mine up and be drinking a beer! :-)
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:21

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:21
We've had a 9 x 9 centre pole canvas tent for 30 years now, it is still in excellent condition and has only had the flyscrens replaced once. It has been used extensively for extended trips, CSR, Simpson etc so has had plenty of use.
We also have a dome with similar floorspace for the kids as they got older and five would no longer fit in the 9x9. It is a PITA to put up in hard stony ground (most of outback OZ), is a sauna in hot /humid/wet weather( despite having both front and rear vestibules wide open ), in wet/cold weather everything ends up wet and damp due to condensation and worst of all I can't stand up in it to get dressed etc and I'm only 5' 4".
Canvas centre pole won't have as much living area as a big dome but we use a tarp in wet weather to live under, the tent is purely for sleeping.
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Reply By: crusa - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:28

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:28
Hi Captain

Yes......... agree with the others. We also have a S/cross bushmaster tent purchased years ago and as good as the day we bought it. We also purchased the optional side poles which make more room inside when we take a double mattress.
Also the S/cross is easy to store upright in the 4wd behind the 2nd seat because of the tent's folded square shape due to its roof frame, and this means that you can put it in the vehicle and take it out without having to remove any items from the back of the vehicle......... just fold the 2nd seat forward and slide the tent upright in through the back side door and it fits neatly against the back of the seat. Fits nicely in front of the 40 litre engel.

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Reply By: Leroy - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:34

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:34
I generally agree with all the centre pole replies. I have a Feedom with a centre pole and prob had it for almost 9yrs. One of the best camping purchases I think I have ever made. Quick to setup, holds up in a storm but I think it's a lot of money for something that you may not use that often. I'd look at the Army disposal centre pole job, or the dome with the vestible or even a small dome just for the kids.

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Reply By: AndrewX - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:35

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:35
I use a dome for motorbike touring, a Southern Cross centre pole for off road 4wd and a van for black top touring. I don't think the criteria for choosing a tent is just how long it will last, but rather whether it will stay up in the next "big blow" and keep you dry in the next downpour. My first tent nearly 40 years ago leaked on the first downpour. I returned it to the seller and was asked "but was the rain REALLY heavy?" I replied, "Yes and that's when I want the tent to be REALLY dry!!!" Since then I've always gone for good quality. My 2 man hike tent cost $199.00 which I know is not top price but enough to ensure I'm dry when the cheap domes aren't. Another consideration is that SC are made here. You can watch them being made in Bayswater Vic and repairs/advice are also available there. My dome is an American import but I prefer to buy locally if available.
On the subject of storage, a little forward planning can utilise your vehicle for storage. When touring it's not necessary to take everything into the tent.
My recommendation - Sc or similar LOCALLY MADE canvas tent for 4wd touring. Definitely not some of the imports I've seen that you could "shoot peas through". They are the quickest tent on the market to erect and are very stable. I always carry a selection of pegs - steel for hard stuff and sand pegs for coastal and desert camping. $400 - $500 extra initially is well worth it and as Truckster said resale value is high.
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Follow Up By: AndrewX - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:44

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:44
Just another guide for you - check the water head of the material. My dome has a 3000mm head. I've seen the large domes - 6 man/vestibule etc for less than my little dome cost but with a water head of 800mm. You don't need to be a great mathematician to work out which one will be dry when the rain gets serious! Mine has nearly 4 times the water repulsion of the cheapies. There's also the poly tarp option but it's a very ordinary, flappy look and a real hassle. I've spoken to several people who always put a tarp over their cheap canvas tents because they leak even in light rain.
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Reply By: Banjo (SA) - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:22

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:22
We have a centre pole - used it a lot in the past - not much at present but it is great - quite stable in wind - can take 4 or 8 pegs - you just buy the real long ones for sand. Have not used a dome because my dicky back hates bending - I know it would be a bummer for me. The centre pole is fast, you can stand up in it and sleeps 2 each side of the pole - the two of us put our goodies one side and we sleep 'tuther on thermarests. Summary - love them.
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Reply By: MrBitchi - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:43

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:43
Some of the 'centre pole' tents come with optional 'side poles' which gets the pole out of the way. I have a 9'x9' that has side poles and I can put a queen size mattress in it no problems. Couldn't do that with a centre pole. Setting up the side poles is no more work than a centre pole and the tent is just as stable, if not more so.

Cheers, John.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ross P (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 13:28

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 13:28
John,

On an entirely different topic even related to a different forum - Is your NM a manual or an auto? If auto do you know if it ever had a new radiator fitted during a recall for a transmission cooling problem.
Just interested to try and find out a bit more about the cooling problems some of us have had.
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 14:30

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 14:30
Ross, been following that discussion on the Paj club forum.
Mines an auto and all recalls were done before I bought it second hand. Sorry, don't know about the radiator.

John
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Reply By: Tuco - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:03

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:03
We have had a Freedom Camping Family Minit Tourer for over 12 years.

The only occasion that I could compare it with a dome tent was when we crossed the Simpson with friends in 1995. Fierce winds and storms literally tore the dome to pieces while our centre pole continued to wether the storm (pun). The centre pole is spring loaded and tensions the sides of the tent. In strong wind it provides flexibility and 'gives' to the wind gusts. The other family spent 2 nights in their vehicle - with a bunch of terrified kids.

We bought 16 sand pegs (8 long 8 short) - triangle profile black HD plastic - from a camp shop, in addition to the steel pegs that came with the tent. The peg selection depends on the type of ground we intended to erect on. Have never had a problem with pegs coming out.

Tuco
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Reply By: Member - Mozza (Newcastle-NSW) - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:53

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:53
go camping atleast 4-5 times a year... in a dome. from 1-2 nights to week-long stays. (5x couples that come with us are the same)
have a 5 man with vestibule and like it due to ..... lots of space, geo-desic design handles all winds (and weather), vestibule allows good (weatherproof) storage area, and takes max. of about 15mins to put up. i don't mind spending extra time setting up.. that way i know it's not going to get blown away .. or leak! which it doesn't!
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Reply By: rb30s - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 11:24

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 11:24
Hi Captain (WA),

Centre poles are the go!!!!

But with a family, get one with the "extended back". They only take another 2 or 3 minutes to put up. Prices start at $279 at Campmart for the 260cm x 350 cm OZ- TRAIL "tourer 9 plus" one, they now make a slightly bigger one but I dont know the $. While not as good as SC,FD and COI etc, these tents have a very high material value for money with good quality water repellent canvas. I dont have one of these tents but a girl friend does and it has much more useable standing space then my OZTENT. Worth noting though is that they only have a single layer roof and I dont think they have a side pole kit.

Adrian
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:39

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:39
Hi All,

Thanks for all your replies. I am now very much leaning towards a centre pole tent for all of the reasons above. Having had dome tents before I think I know most of their pro's and con's so, if nothing else, getting a centre pole will broaden my experience - hopefully for the better!

But will probably go for the "cheap" ~$300 centre pole with extended rear section (family tourer?). It won't get a huge amount of use and will mainly be used when the weather is expected to be fine (yeah right!!!) - I may live to regret not spending the extra dollars now, only time will tell.

Also, for those who suggested using two domes (old +new one) and have the kids sleep in their own, if only I could!!! I have a 7 (G) and 5 (B) year old and we still battle to get them to sleep in their own beds at home, never mind a 'scary' tent in the 'wild' by themselves - maybe one day!

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Pluto - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 14:17

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 14:17
Hi Captain,

Are we going to see the new center pole at Pemberton?
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 15:30

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 15:30
Hi Pluto

Nah, thats whats the vans for!!!! Besides, I'll be at Denmark for the week and will catch up with you guys at Northcliffe. The tent is for trips like my last little episode with the van - don't need that sort of repair bill again!!!

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Pluto - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 15:48

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 15:48
You'll have to give me the story at Northcliffe.

Catch you then.
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Reply By: Member Eric - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 17:58

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 17:58
I have 3 tents for diffrent occasions. Large dome ( person ) for summer camp9ng with whole family , a small dome for quick overnighters in reasnable weather and a center pole for me and the kids in bad conditions . For the price of tents today , its quite affordable
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Reply By: Outbacktourer - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 21:38

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 21:38
Surprised no one has mentioned the OZ Tent.

-'s Maybe outside budget if purchasing new, needs to go on rack
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Follow Up By: Peter McGuckian - Friday, Dec 17, 2004 at 10:20

Friday, Dec 17, 2004 at 10:20
Or the new Black Wolf - very well engineered and quick to erect, no centre pole and four pegs. Over $700 though.

When not sleeping in luxury in the Ultimate we use a COE centre pole tent that is 10x10. This is large enough to fit 2 self inflating mattresses side by side and then leaves the floor free for gear and dressing etc. They are very stable in rough weather and the ebst bit is very quick to put up and take down.

Peter
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Reply By: Mike-TS - Friday, Dec 17, 2004 at 23:38

Friday, Dec 17, 2004 at 23:38
We have a number of tents:

8 man dome - for extended stays at caravan camps
3m x 3m centre pole - for 4 wding where we move about every day
3 man dome - when I take the boy out on adventures!
1 man two skinned - for hiking
1 man single skin - for hiking in summer

The 3m x 3m is real easy to set up. 4 pegs and up she goes. It sleeps 5 of us!

The 8 man takes ages to put up and wouldn't recommend it for moving about.

Horses for courses I suppose....
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Reply By: Member - Michael- Sunday, Dec 19, 2004 at 23:18

Sunday, Dec 19, 2004 at 23:18
Centrepole by far. When SWMBO and I first started 4WDing we bought a dome tent 'cause they packed down smaller and were easy to erect ON CALM DAYS OR LITTLE WIND truy pitching one and attaching the fly, or should I say erecting' when there is a fairly stiff breeze blowing its like trying to tie down a parachute. We payed an extra $50 and got the side pole assy for our centre pole and almost doubled our useable area.
Mike
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