Jayco Freedom

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We are about to purchase a Jayco Freedom Poptop for our big trip. We plan to travel extensivly and will suppliment the poptop with a tent for the areas we cannot take the van into. What I would like feedback on is just how much unsealed road work will a van like this take or will we be stuck on tar the whole trip.
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Monday, Dec 20, 2004 at 11:58

Monday, Dec 20, 2004 at 11:58
Hi Tomay

If you buy the offroad version, you will get a stronger chassis and better suspension. This will enable the van to better withstand the rigours of corrugated gravel roads.

I would be reluctant to take a non-offroad van too far on gravel roads. Its the vibration from endless corrugations that will eventually destroy a van by vibrating everything to bits. An off-road van wth good suspension, a strong chassis to resist too much flexing and appropriate tyre pressures will significantly reduce the amount of vibration transferred to the van.

If your doing the big lap, you will be missing a lot if you cannot travel significant distances on gravel. And if using a tent to get to those places the van cannot, you will have to go back for the van. I think you would regret not spending a few extra dollars upfront to get the offroad pack so you can travel the corrugated gravel roads.

Cheers

Captain

PS. click on my rig photo below and there are a few pics of my van in offroad situations.
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Reply By: Member - Landie - Monday, Dec 20, 2004 at 16:14

Monday, Dec 20, 2004 at 16:14
On a recent trip we came across a number of people with Jayco off-road vans who mentioned problems with the suspension.

I have no first hand knowledge, but offer this has an area you might want to investigate further yourself.

Have you considered an off-road camper trailer given you are willing to compromise between van/tent?

Regards

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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Monday, Dec 20, 2004 at 16:28

Monday, Dec 20, 2004 at 16:28
I too have heard 2nd hand the same thing. Apparently the shock absorber mountings breaks off due to severe corrugations. But I believe that the factory now reinforces the shock mountings. Is also relativley easily fixed when it does occur (weld some brackets I believe).

I am not aware of any other "major" problems - but I don't particularly follow issues with the Jayco's so there could be other issues I haven't heard of.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Tomay - Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 09:17

Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 09:17
Looked into off road trailers but the good ones that we liked had an equally impressive price tag.

After most of the responses on this thread we are considering the Freedom for the areas we can (which is quite a sizable lump of Aus) and then short trips in the tent for the more remote aeas. This way we can also design our packing for out back travel and we would prefer to do these areas with a fellow traveller and figure short trips would be better under these circumstances.
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Reply By: Wizard2 - Monday, Dec 20, 2004 at 18:04

Monday, Dec 20, 2004 at 18:04
Have a Freedom 16ft Pop Top. They aren't designed or built to go off the black stuff. We had the suspension up graded, including height and fitting shocks. But this does not ruggerdise the interior which is essemtially 3 mill ply and hard wood held together, for the most part, with staples.

It handles most short trips on good dirt roads without too many dramas.

They are not built for the rough stuf. We pushed the envelope with ours, including the Oodnadatta Track and Savannah Way from Roper Bar to Booraloola ( or at least the first 10 km of it).

The things that will fail will be the direct result of poor construction, such as
over head cupboards will come loose and begin to sag.

You will not be able to keep dust out, no matter what you try to do.

We learned a few lessons and know the van's limitations. I carry a cordless drill, a variety of screws and good old liquid nails to fix the problems as they will start to occur on the road.

Wizard
Prado TD
Freedom 16ft
Gold Coast
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Follow Up By: Member - Russell B (SA) - Monday, Dec 20, 2004 at 22:04

Monday, Dec 20, 2004 at 22:04
My Freedom has a positive air pressure vent which I have been assured by another Freedom owner (with an off road version) keeps the van dust free.

I would never take a non off road van off road for very long. I assume the extra cost difference between on and off road might have something to do with extra built in things to withstand the battering off road.

Regards

Russell
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Follow Up By: Wizard2 - Sunday, Dec 26, 2004 at 12:00

Sunday, Dec 26, 2004 at 12:00
Positive air pressure, really. Well as I said nothing keeps the dust, (I used the positive air pressure on my van) and I mean real dust, the type like talcum powder, out of the van.

It enters through the poorly sealed holes in the deck for drain pipes, etc. Also take a good look under your van where the fridge is and see the vast area of cut away floor for the fridge to breathe. You can't deal it up and dust will get in.

I'm talking from experience. I have looked at the Off Road package. All it consists of is upgraded suspension, some fake checker plate and a heavier draw bar. The van its self (I mean the interior) is not built any better or stronger than a normal Freedom. If I buy an off rtoad van it will be something purpose built for that use, not an on road van with some add ons.

Suggest you go to a Jayco dealer, push and pull the cupboards, etc, have a look how they're put together on a normal van, then have a look at an "off road pack". I did and there a stronger built other on roaders on the market.

If we upgrade to a real off road van it will be something like a Kedron, Bushtracker, etc, not a Jayco.

Don't believe the bull told to you by sales men, all they want to do is sell a van.

But don't believe me...........
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Reply By: GOB & denny vic member - Monday, Dec 20, 2004 at 21:14

Monday, Dec 20, 2004 at 21:14
GOOD LUCK
EX FREEDOM OFF ROAD OWNER

STEVE
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Reply By: muzzgit - Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 02:04

Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 02:04
I was talking to Murray at perth caravan repair center last week and I'm sure he said that shockies on a caravan or camper are a waste of time. He also said they will fail if driven extensively on gravel, and are one of the most common repairs he does.

This is second hand, I have no personal knowledge of this. It is simply his reply when I asked why other Jayco campers had shocks and my 1994 didn't.

Cheers,

Muzz
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 11:14

Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 11:14
Hi Muzzgit,

Murray may do a lot of shockie repairs, but that simply means they are working hard!!! I think his diagnosis of the problem may be flawed?

If they were NOT breaking, then maybe they were not doing anything. But since they are breaking, they are working overtime and either need stronger shocks or better mounts (depends on whats breaking).

Imagine driving your vehicle without shocks, it would be like a pogo stick ride and every corrugation would be magnified. The same with your van. No shocks going over corrugations will simply magnify the effect and increase the damaging vibrations in the van.

You can get away without shocks on a leaf sprung van for blacktop driving, but I would still recommend shocks even for this.

Cheers

Captain
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