TD Prados Take Note........
Submitted: Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 14:28
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Tim
Anyone with a TD Prado should be aware of potential issues when changing the oil filter.
I have just got
mine back from toyota after it went in with starting problems and it was due to oil in the starter.
Due to the location of these parts it is not uncommon for oil to drip down when you remove the filter and it slowly seeps in through the seals. Toyota assured me that it is sealed for
water but oil will eventually get in.
It was a mechanic who did the last service and he has offered to cover the cost after toyota refused warranty (rightly so).
Before ppl start pointing the finger at the mechanic, I should say that I still support him and will continue to use him.
Just don't let it happen to you.
Tim
01 TD Prado
Reply By: rob1 - Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 14:56
Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 14:56
I'm sure those Toyota engineers( or any for that matter) don't think things through enough when they design these motors.
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Reply By: Tuco - Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 15:28
Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 15:28
Not sure which engine you are refering to, but I imagine that it is probably the 1KZ-TE (as fitted since about 97/98).
I have a '95 Surf - also fitted with the 1KZ-TE engine - and it has a funnel shaped casting where the inverted oil filter is situated. The casting funnels oil down a tube to a point near the sump plug.
The idea is to 'crack' the filter undone, then undo only enough to let the oil slowly run out of the filter, into the funnel casting, then down the tube. If the filter is completely undone before it has drained - it will overflow the funnel and the oil will drop onto the starter motor.
Firstly I would make sure that the plastic hose is firmly attached to the funnel casting outlet.
Secondly if the hose is attached, make sure that it isn't blocked, or kinked - if it is then the funnel will overflow oil onto the starter motor.
The oil on the starter problem with 1KZ-TE engines only happens if the filter is removed in a hurry, and not allowed to slowly drain down the funnel/drain hose that Toyota incorporated into the design.
I have made my own vehicle less messy in this regard by fitting a longer hose than original - and the filter and sump drain at the same time into the same container.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 15:38
Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 15:38
Excellent idea extending the hose Tuco,
mine is blocked currently as the funnel filled up last time I changed it, had to soak it all up with paper towel cos I could find the hole to unblock it while full of oil. Lucky for me I only cracked the seal also so I had time to take precausions.
It is interesting though, perhaps this is why I have heard of a lot of starter motors going on 1kz-TE surfs like ours. Who would have thought hey?
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Follow Up By: Tim - Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 18:58
Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 18:58
Yeah thats the same engine but I am not 100% sure that the extended hose you are reffering to is on the prado. Will have to take a look.
Tim
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 20:05
Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 20:05
I'll second what Tuco says. Theres a metal funnel that makes filter changes mess free. Best design I've ever seen. The drain tube can block with mud,so may need cleaning out.
Your mechanic is doing the right thing. Sounds to me like he accidentally spilled it after unscrewing the filter.
Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: Stuart - Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 22:57
Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 22:57
Before you undo the filter why not put a thick piece of rag over the starter just in case?. Merry Christmas to all. May Santa smile upon you and your families.
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