Solar amps around Australia

Submitted: Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 21:19
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I have done a full website (temporarily located so don't bookmark) at Landline Website. It shows you the solar output for locations across Australia for solar panels from 2w to 100w. For panels mounted flat like they are on a caravan or campervan, you need to DEDUCT 10% in summer and 22% in winter from the figures.
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 21:51

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 21:51
Hey that's good work Ozi, top stuff.
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Follow Up By: David Au - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:22

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:22
Thanks Mad Dog there is a lot of work in that.
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Follow Up By: CUM800 - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:33

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:33
Thanks Dave.

By the way the Sat TV is working a treat after out visit to you in Albury last year. Heading off for five weeks north on sunday, Turn around at Airlie.

Don't mind some of the comments on here. If your not in the clique and and differ from some opinions you will get a bagging but its water of a ducks back. All in all, the majority of information is helpful.

John
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Follow Up By: David Au - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:58

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:58
Thanks John. Yes, it is always the childish, uneducated and the true non-achievers that make the most noise. If they read and listened they would learn a great deal from the achievers and educated. As you can see they have no idea how to engage the brain and the verbal diarrhoea by a regular few flows forth.

Now that GlobalSat have gone there is nobody to get great deals from anymore for SatTV. I thoroughly enjoy my satTV and have just returned myself from a great trip. I use the radio on the SatTV extensively.

Have a great trip. I am off again in about a fortnight myself for six weeks. This time I should have my two-way satellite Internet all sorted by the the time I am ready to go.
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Follow Up By: CUM800 - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 00:26

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 00:26
Theres still Hotchip
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Reply By: Mal Vercourt WA - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 22:32

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 22:32
That is brialliant mate
Always looked for that information
So thankful you tech guys give your knowledge and assitance
Great thanks for posting
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Follow Up By: David Au - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:24

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:24
Mal glad you like it and thanks for posting.
I knew many intelligent interested people would be interested in the data. I will post the fulltime website it will reside at when finished.
My other website is Bits & Pieces that is not far off been revamped and more information added for travellers.
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Reply By: Mainey... - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 22:46

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 22:46
0zy,
You state YOU have done a full website showing the solar output for locations across Australia for solar panels from 2w to 100w, and you claim for panels mounted flat like they are on a caravan or campervan, we need to DEDUCT 10% in summer and 22% in winter from the figures, so I believe if you want that recognition, then you must also accept the responsibility for the truthfulness of your website!

You claim: Sun Hours for Broome:

(A) January to December average 6.6 sun hours

(B) Average for the year 6.08 sun hours

(C) March to November average 4.5 sun hours

Question;
why is there a difference between ALL the months of the year eg, (A) January to December (6.6) and the figure you are quoting (B) average for the year (6.08)

I spend months at a time in the Broome region during the ‘winter’ months, (C) March to November and I assure you there are more than 4.5 sun hours per day.

If you are suggesting only your brand of solar panel works for 4.5 hours in Broome in winter per day then maybe you should get a new dealership with one of the quality brands that will work for more hours per day.

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Follow Up By: David Au - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:04

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:04
The Solar Irradiation Data is that supplied by the Dept of Civil Aviation.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:14

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:14
Some areas do appear to be a bit low though ozi
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Follow Up By: David Au - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:20

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:20
Mad Dog yes I do agree with you there, but hey, I am not going to tamper with their official figures. I thought about not putting the averages in, but then thought that would give an unrealistic view of what you could expect in solar power. I presume if you take the solar irradiation factor to meet the standard in winter it would be right. I will contact the guy at the Dept I got the data from and find out more about it. I did speak to other people in the research of solar and they all use those figures, that is how I got onto them.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:21

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:21
Mainey, the BOM site gives Broome airport and average of around 10
for march to November.....does that sound better
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:25

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:25
Broome Airport Climate
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Follow Up By: David Au - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:52

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 23:52
Mad Dog 'Peak Sun Hours' often referred to as 'solar hours' are totally different to 'sunshine' hours. Peak Sun Hours or Solar Hours are hours of the day useable for conversion of sun energy into power. Peak Sun Hour maps show average irradiation and take into account average cloud cover. If you look at the Internet at all the PSH/Solar Hour figures you will see they are identical or close to the same. I am more than happy to stick with the educated experts and their figures.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 00:41

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 00:41
Yep I agree, after reading some irradiation info here it is not a matter for us laymen to argue with the experts
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Follow Up By: David Au - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 00:52

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 00:52
Mad Dog thanks for posting that website. It is an excellent resource to point people to. I will stick that in my Favourites. I will put an explanation on the final website about why the hours look low and put a link to that website.
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Reply By: Flash - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 11:46

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 11:46
Wow David,
Thankyou, excellent info.
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Reply By: Wok - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 11:52

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 11:52
A suggestion for testing David Au's information

1. Establish a power usage value. [x watts per day]
2. Establish a battery storage value [xAh]
3. Establish a Location & Time-of-year [woop woop in May]
4. Contact as many commercial solar suppliers and document their recommendation[s]

Post the suggested systems with the name-of-business, phone number & contact name [ so that your data can be verified] Naturally you need to supply the info for #1-3 as well.

An alternative 'quick-fix' is to contact commercial solar suppliers & ask them which table they use?

If ýou' wish to 'knock' someone please supply VERIFIABLE PROOF so that interested parties can check 'your' comments.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Mainey... - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 20:55

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 20:55
Wok,
The BP Solar web site power requirements are there for all to read;

http://www.bpsolar.com/ContentDetails.cfm?page=90

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Reply By: David Au - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:53

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:53
Another interesting website explaining 'Peak Sun Hours/Solar Hours'
and a look-up chart for different regions of Australia
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Reply By: Mainey... - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 22:04

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 22:04
The Suntech Solar web site as sold by 0zi makes interesting reading!
http://www.suntechaustralia.com.au/solar.htm

Only the word Sun and Sunshine are mentioned on the entire site where it describes how solar panels work.

"Sunlight" provides a stream of energy particles called photons. These photons streaming from the "sun" penetrate into the silicon cell and strike silicon atoms.
The process enables the cell to continue to produce power as long as the "sun" shines on it.
The output of the module is influenced by the amount of "sunlight" shining on it.

So I ask the question;
What is a "Peak Sun Hour" or “Solar Hour” ??

Yes, I have read the web site recomended by 0zi “Another interesting website explaining Peak Sun Hours/Solar Hours” http://solar.anu.edu.au/Sun/Irrad/Irradiation.html

and the words Peak Sun Hour or Solar Hour did not appear anywhere on the entire site, it was only relevant to Irradiation Data and Solar Radiation.

If you know where Sun Hours etc are defined on a Solar web site as being different to “Sunshine” please post the addy, because I also want to learn the theory.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 23:54

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 23:54
Mainey....this stuff is very easy to find on the web, did you look ?

It is presumed that at "peak sun", 1000 W/m² of energy reaches the surface of the earth. One hour of full sun provides 1000 Wh per m² = 1 kWh/m² - representing the solar power received on a cloudless summer day on a surface directed towards the sun.

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Follow Up By: Mainey... - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 01:09

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 01:09
the question still is;

What is a "Peak Sun Hour" or “Solar Hour” as COMPARED to "Sunshine" ? ?

the web site recomended by 0zi as “Another interesting website EXPLAINING Peak Sun Hours/Solar Hours” dosn't even mention the words Peak Sun Hour or Solar Hour, anywhere on the entire site, yet he has stated it does explain them, just another mistake?

If you know where Sun Hours etc are defined on a Solar web site as being different to “Sunshine” please post the addy,
because I also want to learn the theory.

Yes, 0zi if you really know the answer, please share it.............

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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 08:55

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 08:55
Mainey, you asked the question

>What is a "Peak Sun Hour" or “Solar Hour” ??

I did the research for you and came up with this for you.....not hard to find on the web

>It is presumed that at "peak sun", 1000 W/m² of energy reaches the >surface of the earth. One hour of full sun provides 1000 Wh per m² = >1 kWh/m² - representing the solar power received on a cloudless >summer day on a surface directed towards the sun

now you ask the question

>What is a "Peak Sun Hour" or “Solar Hour” as COMPARED to "Sunshine" ? ?

Once again I have done your research and came up with this

The light or the direct rays from the sun.
The warmth given by the sun's rays.
A location or surface on which the sun's rays fall.

So it is clear that a peak sun hour or solar hour falls within the definition of sunshine but not necessarily the reverse.

Pleased to clear that up for you but really you didn't know what sunshine is?

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Reply By: Wok - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 09:12

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 09:12
Hello David,

Looks like there has been some ' pruning' been done on this topic so I am not sure if this has been mentioned before.

Query about the headings of the tables,
1. [Max battery charge amps hour]
I read this as [Average battery charge rate in amps per sun-hour for the maximum sun-month]
2. [Amps per day]
I read this as [ Ah per sun-day]

Am I offtrack?
Good guide.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: David Au - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 13:27

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 13:27
Wok the "Max battery charge amps hour" is what you will get from the solar panels charging a battery - absolutely real work factual figures that you would see on the digital meter on a solar regulator.
If you are using a maximiser with say a water pump, you will get 100w out of a 100w panel, but you are not going to get that battery charging.

No, because it is total amps per day. To get the Ah you would have to divide the total amps per day by the time.
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Follow Up By: Wok - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 15:07

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 15:07
David,
Sorry to be a nuisance but the units don't add up

eg: Darwin 100W panel
MBCAH = 5.83Ah
SH = 6.58hr
A/D = 38.38A

Total Amps per Day [divided by] Sun-Hours = average Amps per Sun-Hour
ie : amps/hours = amps per hour
Thus......38.8/6.58 = 5.83 which equals the figure for MBCAH

If the Total Amps per Day is the base then the other value should have [Amps per Hour] as its unit, not [Amps Hour]

OR

If MBCAH is the base....[amps X hour] X hour = ??????

rgds
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Follow Up By: David Au - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 17:12

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 17:12
Wok fixed and thanks.
I took it as read - bad habit.
Exactly what I was looking for, constructive feedback.
thanks
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Reply By: Mainey... - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 09:49

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 09:49
Mad Dog
Could you please post the WEB SITE you got your information from?

My question did ask; If you know where the term Sun Hours etc are defined on a Solar WEB SITE, as being different to “Sunshine” please post the address, because I also want to learn the theory, 'cause I allready know the practical aspects, lol

As to the sunshine quip, well it has been in the 30+ degrees here this week and I see it is cool an WET in Melbourne, the southern terrorists are starting to arrive in droves from the south for the winter, so the population more than doubles and we all enjoy the casual lifestyle together, and that includes enjoying the local sunshine which, yes, we get for at least 10 hours every day and generally without any clouds at all during winter, as is in summer we get the rain, (monsoons & humidity) well has to be some method of removing the terrorists outa town an back south so we can also have a break also.

This is not meant to offend the Grey Nomads, really nice people!
and the true ferrals don't read this website, is it don't or can't???

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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:27

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:27
I didn't bookmark the site but I'll try and track it down again, it was just a glossary of terms with no real tech info that I could see.

Well I don't know about Melbourne but it's dry with about 60% cloud here. I'm not a great lover of sunshine and heat so the southern climate suits me fine. My ideal resting place would be a cool rain forest :)

Have fun with the terrorists and may the sun always shine on your panels.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:29

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:29
Just had a look at the radar, Melb looks as dry as a bone ?
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:14

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:14
Can't find that again Mainey.

Found THIS list of sunshine hours for varous cities around the world. If you like sunshine it appears Yuma Arizona is the place to be.
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