Imagine my Mrs dissapointment.

Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 10:08
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Okay so we are shopping for a Rav4 for the missus but heard there is a new one coming out in October so are in two minds as to whether to wait or not.

After doing some serious browsing on the subject we were very excited to find this image of the apparent new Rav4 .

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But as you can see half way down the page it seems the image is a very clever photoshop edit. DAMN IT WE LOVE THE LOOK !!!!!! WHY CAN"t TOYOTA EMPLOY THE GUY WHO MADE THAT IMAGE ???????

DAMN !!!

Anyway.. calm ... calm ......... calm

I then discovered what is a drastically different looking Rav4 and apparently the "real" replacement.

UGLY !!!!

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As I am sure you will agree this version is damn ugly.

Don't know what to do now ??

HELP !!
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Reply By: Al & Mrs Al (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 10:18

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 10:18
you should see the 130 series Landcruiser....YUK...

why not an x-trail...
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Follow Up By: Gone 4by'ing - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 10:25

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 10:25
We checked the X-Trail

very sluggish accelleration ( even though more kw's than Rav felt slower ).
Cheap plastics used on the interior and that front guard is not my idea of a comforting safety device in an accident. Centre console instrument layout is damn ugly . If we ever get the thing into so off road action the suspension travel on the Rav is much greater. Pop the bonnet on the xtrail and see how low the top of the strut is, for that matter the X=trail motor is way lower as well. Toyota also has more advanced motor.

Oh.

The Mrs loves the look of the Cruiser !!

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Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 11:30

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 11:30
Go with a Forrester.

You can get them in a manual with a (limited) low range of about 1.2(?) to 1 (good enough to get you out of any minor mishap). Good interior room, good suspension (no "dangly, spindly bits" to the lower rear hubs), good reputation, permanant 4wd (NOT part time, if/when it lets you).

(Flame suit on)
From the people who it could reasonably be said, invented the crossover genre in the 70's ;-). Why buy an inferior copy ???
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Follow Up By: Gone 4by'ing - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 11:34

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 11:34
But the Mrs thinks they are ugly and you know that looks is everything.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 11:53

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 11:53
Psychology 101:

Tell her that she will spend most of her time inside looking out, not outside looking in, so it really doesn't matter what the outside looks like. LOL!!!
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 16:32

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 16:32
I humbly concur with Mr InOz.
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Follow Up By: gottabjoaken - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 15:48

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 15:48
Unfortunately the Mrs will be much more concerned with what people outside think as they look at her inside.

Come to think of it so will most of the Misters too. (but not those on this forum... LOL

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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 11:50

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 11:50
Seems to be the way with these car designers.
The new Nissan looks Bloody awful with those Hugh plastic flares and bumpers (Both front and rear)

Someone should smack those blokes in the head with a plastic car body part, then maybe they will see the light.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 15:11

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 15:11
Just to quote you John, "new Nissan looks Bloody awful" hey don't you drive a Troopy?
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Follow Up By: Gone 4by'ing - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 16:25

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 16:25
The new Patrol's are the best looking w4d on the market.

Toughest as well but that is another story.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 18:59

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 18:59
Hi ya John R
Your correct I do drive a Troopy (Very observant of you) LOL.
(Very Little Plastic on it at the moment) My comments are based on the increasing amount of plastic that all manufacturers are sticking on there vehicles.
The prior model Nissan is a good looking and with minor exception a very good vehicle in all aspects in my view.
This current model looks crap with all that plastic, yeah I know it's cosmetic but wait till you rub those flares against a decent tree or rock and then pay the cost of sticking them back on.
Seen the same problem with the Prado's.

As Mrs Al said the future 130 series Toyota seems to be going the same way if all the pictures we have seen are correct.

So Gone 4bying I have to disagree with you about the looks issue I was parked behind one on the Spirit of Tassie on Sunday and it looked $hit.
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 23:53

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 23:53
John,

Was that the day or night sail? I came back on the 16th night sail. Don't remember a Troopy but there were a lot of cars.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 00:02

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 00:02
Hi Ute
I came back on the 16th day sail.
David and Michele were also booked for this trip but changed to the Sat 15th night sail.
I spoke with them in Bridport, they said they ran into you also if my memory serves me ?
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 00:18

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Yes I did bump into them on Bruny Island although they were still sailing on the 16th then. Their Cruiser is a little hard to miss even at night! They were the only people from this site that I met (that I know of).

Hope you had a great trip. We certainly did.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 00:21

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 00:21
Yeah they were the only ones from EO that I found also.

I had a bloody great trip, will certainly return soon.
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Follow Up By: Gone 4by'ing - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 06:41

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 06:41
Please stay on topic guys.

I don't want a group hug session in my thread if it can be helped.
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Reply By: Top Cat - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 14:15

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 14:15
There both ugly as sin.

Like most cars nowadays they just look a like a childs toy..........namely a transformer.

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Follow Up By: Gone 4by'ing - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 16:18

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 16:18
The Blue one looks great .

They would sell plenty of them !!
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Reply By: Noosa Bushtrackers - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 18:39

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 18:39
The 2 people to the left have slanting eyes, similar to that of the car. Maybe they were looking in a mirror when they designed the front.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 19:13

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 19:13
well it seems obvious that Toyota have lost th plot. Theres heaps of soft roaders out there some even with Character, lik ethe Landrover and the Honda

Forget Toyota until they start designing cars with that european flair-character
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Follow Up By: Gone 4by'ing - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 22:10

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 22:10
The Landrover has flair ?

cough ..

yeh thats a good one.

Honda looks like my Grandmas set of wheels.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 22:15

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005 at 22:15
Well I reckon that while Land Rover have a grand plan, Toyota have a bland plan. Theyre trying to do something different, but all theyre doing is copying the US Dodge RAM and trying to Toyotaise the thing, using the bland plan.

A Freelander has more character any day I reckon.
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Follow Up By: Gone 4by'ing - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 06:42

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 06:42
People must like the bland plan as it sells bucket loads !

Guess it's a GREAT plan !
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Reply By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 12:50

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 12:50
Cant you see that they are basically the same car apart from the rear end styling (spare, tailights etc) which you cant trust that pic of the Blue Rav anyway.
I have a feeling these are maybe two different spec models in the same concept of Rav. The Silver one has the exact same front end, just fitted with standard lights and a less aggressive grill and bumper (all one piece) and the Blue looks like the top spec with lower profile tyres, look-a-like HID headlights and more aggressive plastic.

Could also be different region models, ie Aust, Euro, US etc?

Will wait and see....

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Follow Up By: Gone 4by'ing - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 16:25

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 16:25
WRONG.
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Follow Up By: Gone 4by'ing - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 18:56

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 18:56
The blue is a photochop . check the top link and go half way down.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Thursday, Jan 20, 2005 at 18:58

Thursday, Jan 20, 2005 at 18:58
Yeah no worries mate, I have already seen link and the photoshop references and spent plenty of time surfing for other examples.
There is a good link, can remeber where now, that posted those two picks side by side and (ignoring the different rears) the lines on the front of both are identical. So dont believe everything you read, people love stir!! Just look at the two RAVs and make up your own mind as I did, The body lines are identical.
But I appreciate you informative response!

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Reply By: rb30s - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 21:26

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005 at 21:26
Gone 4b'ing,

I may be wrong??? but I was of the impression that current model Rav4's dont have a centre diff lock, and this would make them a 1WD....If 1 wheel is not on the ground or has zero traction forward motion stops!!!!That is of course if they dont have traction control(I dont know if they do of not) My advice if purchasing an "AWD" is to make sure it at least has a centre diff lock so it would at least have to loose traction with 1 tyre at front and 1 at rear before forward motion stops.
All the above would be largely irrellevant if car never leaves bitchumen.

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Follow Up By: Gone 4by'ing - Thursday, Jan 20, 2005 at 06:25

Thursday, Jan 20, 2005 at 06:25
that is wrong sorry.

you can have front left off ground and back right off grround and still it will drive forward. Or alternative wheels etc.
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Follow Up By: rb30s - Thursday, Jan 20, 2005 at 08:51

Thursday, Jan 20, 2005 at 08:51
Hi Gone 4by'ing

Momentum is a wonderful thing when wheels are off the ground.

I would challenge you/anyone to PARK an AWD/4WD without a centre diff lock, LSD or traction control in a position with one wheel off the ground, and try to DRIVE off.
100% of available torque goes to the wheel with the least resistance. At least with an AWD/4WD with a centre diff lock 50% of available torque goes to front and 50% goes to rear so it takes more(less grip) to stop forward motion.
Landrover learned this lesson with the Series 2 Discovery(which at least had traction control) and put the centre diff lock back in for the Series 3.
Please dont take this as an argument(I personally avoid confrontation) as it is just meant to be a little advice on a topic I have a little interest in.
I hope we can all learn stuff from this valuable forum(I certainly have)

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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Thursday, Jan 20, 2005 at 19:38

Thursday, Jan 20, 2005 at 19:38
Adrian you are right to the extent if a veh didnt have a centre diff lock or any cross axle traction aids, with 1 wheel lifted they are stuck.

But Ravs have a viscous centre diff which resists the front and rear transfer-case output shafts rotating at very different rates. In this role it limits wheel spin if a front (or a rear) wheel suddenly looses traction. The action is smooth and permits normal differential action when cornering. Obviously the term here is 'limits', it doesnt totally proportionate traction 50:50 but it certainly wont let all traction spit out of the one spinning wheel.
Also all current Ravs have rear LSDs fitted, so that would also assist somewhat, but we all know the limitations of an LSD...

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