Used Autofridge - what to look for
Submitted: Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 20:09
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AdrianLR
I'm looking at a used 39L Autofridge. It's between 8 & 10 years old and is "used but not abused". I rang Quirks and they suggested that I should
check it after it's been run for 24hrs - if it's cold then probably fine. A rebuild is around $600 if it fails.
Is this too old? Anything else to look out for? What's it worth?
I know I can get a much newer Waeco etc for probably the same price but the Autofridge suits our style of camping (great insultation/switch it off during the day).
Thanks
Adrian
Reply By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 20:17
Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 20:17
...don't you mean "switch it off during the night"????
Not even a eutectic fridge is going to stay cold during the heat of the day without being on.....
I'd buy it. I really like the AutoFridge. Considering that they are about $1,700 new, I probably wouldn't want to offer any more than $450 or so for a 10 year old one. That way if you need to spend $600 on fixing it, then it's about the same price as an Engel - and as good as new.
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Follow Up By: AdrianLR - Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 20:41
Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 20:41
Thanks.
Quirks recommend running it for 2hrs in the morning and 3hrs at night after it has been pre-chilled, when in eutectic mode. Does it work out like this in real life (assuming the day temps are no more than 30c) or do you need to run it more like a normal fridge?
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 20:53
Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 20:53
Adrian
Maybe it's the 30 degree ambient temperature supposition. I've only ever had one in use in hot (40 degrees plus) weather, and I'll say that it needed to be run for about 4 hours during the day (and kept under cover out of the sunlight) and for at least the same at night. Sometimes we got away without running it at night at all.... if we didn't open it.
Maybe more temperate weather would mean far less running time. Never had one at these times.... as our fridge is now an EvaKool.
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 20:35
Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 20:35
I've had an Autofridge since they started making them, I usually get a new one every 5 yrs or so and pass the old one on. They are all still going strong.
I'd echo the comments made previously that Quirks advise and the price range.
And yes that is correct I usually only run ours 2 hours early in the morning and 2 hours in the evening, the rest of the time it is turned off and has no problem holding temps down during the day.
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Follow Up By: fozzy - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 07:27
Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 07:27
jimbo
with autofridge you need to run for i think 4-8hrs before you use fridge so it cools down liquid and think freezes it and from memory that
test you refer to all fridges were started at same time etc which didnt allow for way autofridge was designed to operate thus during testing time was running at max power consumption.thus if autofridge run as per instructions(who reads them anyway) think you would find current draw much less for the
test
cheers
fozzy
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Reply By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 21:32
Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 21:32
I simply do not understand this turn it off or turn it down at night theory.
All compressor fridges are thermostatically controlled and turn on and off as necessary to hold a given temp. They simply run less at a lower ambient temp.
Does anyone turn their household fridge down at night and up again in the morning? No? Why? Because the thermostat looks after holding a constant temp.
Let it do its job is my counsel. Having fitted a thermometer to my fridge and trying to second guess what the fridge is doing has proved to me that the fridge will do a better job than me.
I once tried turning it down at night only to find it was at 6C in the morning. Haven't done it since. My observations monitoring the battery are that it uses bugger all overnight when it is cool. After turning it off you then start the day with a warm fridge that you have to get cold again and use the power you have "saved" overnight.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 21:53
Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 21:53
Jimbo
This is the difference with an AutoFridge....it's eutectic.
The cavity between the inner and outer skins is filled with a fluid. The whole idea is to get the compressor and associated bits to chill this liquid - not the air inside the fridge cavity itself. By making the fluid cold, the whole cabinet keeps the cavity temp down..... and it takes a long time for this liquid to warm. Hence, if you really chill it down in the afternoon, most times the latent temperature of the liquid itself will keep the whole shebang cold overnight - and doesn't need the compressor to run any where near as often...if at all.
Very cool... but very expensive.
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Follow Up By: AdrianLR - Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 22:09
Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 22:09
Jim
To add to what Chrispy wrote, the eutectic is effectively a "store of "cold"". Unlike insulation in a normal fridge which keeps the heat out, the eutectic "actively" cools. The idea being that when you have power you remove heat energy from the eutectic & food/beer and then when you don't it removes the energy from the food/beer by melting.
So, you're quite right - you wouldn't use a normal fridge like this but an Autofridge isn't a normal fridge (just look at the price!) However, if it lives up to its reputation it will be cheaper for us in the long run as we'll get away without having to set up a dual battery system in the Disco and use the largish SLA in the camper, battery pack and running while driving (BTW your setup sound ideal if we went dual).
Cheers
Adrian
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 03:16
Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 03:16
I understand the eutectic theory but it must still need a thermostat to tell it when to start refreezing the fluid again.
As for power draw; in an independent lab
test conducted by 4wd Monthly, the Autofridge averaged 2.4 amps per hour which was the third highest of the 9 fridges tested. Engel 1.6, Bushman 1.6, Evakool 1.9, Waeco 2.0 etc, so I would question its ability of efficiency.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Follow Up By: David Au - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 20:01
Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 20:01
AdrianLR after spending six months with an Autofridge which is only a poultry 39litres, compared to my 50litre evaKool, I doubt there was 5.0 amps a day difference between the two. Considering the difference in cubic capacity of 11.0 litres 5.0 amps is zilch. There is no free ride in life in any field, and to cool down all that mass in the eutectic system takes considerable power. To duplicate that eutectic system, I could put large PET bottles in my evaKool and basically achieve the same results.
I very much doubt and would happily challenge Quirks to demonstrate their fridge keeps below 4°C for food safety standards on a 30°C plus day, let alone 40°C. If Quirks were serious about their claims, they would have independent NATA tests on their website. What is more, Quirks have no data whatsoever on their website of any relevance or meaning and certainly no temperature rating
information.
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Reply By: David Au - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 15:00
Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 15:00
I have worked for the last six months with a guy with an Autofridge.
Thanks, but I will keep my evaKool everyday.
Could never come close to justifying the high price of an Autofridge.
I would very much like to
test Quirk's claims and see how the temperature fluctuates. With Quirks theory you could place a bladder at the bottom of any fridge filled with saline solution and save a bundle. Overall I am not impressed with the Autofridge for the price.
Regardless of Quirks claims, compared to the price of equivalent size Waeco, you could buy a 155w solar panel and regulator and still have some change. Autofridge compared to an evaKool you could buy a 80w solar panel and regulator.
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Follow Up By: Rod W - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 15:34
Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 15:34
Gota agree the price is hexxy $1700 odd bucks is what I paid for
mine 10yrs ago including a seperate transformer. But then I had some money.
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Follow Up By: AdrianLR - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 19:48
Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 19:48
New price does seem high and we couldn't afford it. If the secondhand unit comes at the right price (and of course making the assumption that we get a reasonable life out of it before a rebuild) then it suits our needs. A large solar setup would also add more complexity/breakability to the camping experience. We already use a small solar suitcase that keeps up if we only use a couple of fluoros.
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Reply By: Bilbo - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 23:26
Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 23:26
"Chrispy" has quoted Quirk's figures and my experience with Autofridges says that they reflect practical reality. I worked self employed as prospector in WA for a few years and used to set the Autofridge on 3, and leave it there, letting it cycle on it's thermostat (yes it does have one). On that setting, it maintained frozen food at the bottom of the fridge - frozen. Stuff at the top of the fridge was ice cold but not frozen. This was better than
my home 240 volt fridge in similar temps of 15c overnight and up to 38C during the day.
Occasionally, a can of beer or Pepsi would slip to the bottom if the fridge. It would freeze solid in 10 hours - and burst!! It used to crap me off having to empty the fridge and clean it all out. BUT - that's how good it was. All this, on a setting of 3 when the max setting goes up to 7.
If I ever bought fresh meat or dropped a roo for same, I'd turn it down (up?) to max of 7 and it would freeze the fresh meat solid in about 8 hours. BUT - any beer or Pepsi at the TOP of the fridge was frozen - and burst if ya didn't take it out in time.
Autofridge are expensive but when yer working fer a living out there & ya need a serious fridge that's reliable, I wouldn't buy anything else.
I borrowed an Engle once and in spite of two 80 watt solar panels backing up my second battery, I had 3 flat batteries in 8 days when temperatures were around 38C. That never happened with the Autofridge. It uses next to nothing once it's cold. Just follow Quirks instructions and you'll be right.
Bilbo
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