Prado 90 series 2.7 petrol, any good?
Submitted: Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 20:37
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I'm considering getting a 4 cylinder petrol Prado, anyone got one?
I'd like to know about "townability", cruising speed, and fuel consumption.
We are a one car family, so I need a 95% town car that can tow a camper at 110 kmh when I get away. Don't need radical off kit, just some good ground clearance and some easy beach capability.
Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 21:30
Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 21:30
G'day mate,
I was one of three vehicles in a convoy to
Cape York last Sept/Oct.
Mine is a 4.2 TD Patrol, and my mates were in a 3L Patrol and a 2.7 petrol Prado.
We all towed campers...
mine a Ultimate, the 3L had a TrakShak and the Prado had a very heavy Cameron (I think??). I was sceptical that it would be able to keep up etc. I was quite surprised that the only times it had trouble was on long hills where the extra torque of the Nissans shone through. But that was only on a few occasions.
As far as reliability was concerned, the Prado (which was pretty-
well bog-stock) only sufferred 2 busted rear shockers and had to get 2 flown in while we were at
Bamaga.
I'd say if it suits your needs size-wize etc and you like petrol engines, no reason why you shouldn't go for it. Be aware it will probably have a lower resale value, but I would hope you are paying a LOT less for it than an equivalent V6 version.
Good luck.
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Reply By: Member - muzzgit - Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 22:28
Monday, Feb 07, 2005 at 22:28
The 3.0 petrol GQ is not anywhere the same vehicle as the 2.7 prado. It's heavier to start with, as
well as being "old technology", motor wise.
It is a
well known fact that you couldn't drive out of sight on a dark night in a 3.0 petrol GQ patrol.
I don't have personal experience with the 2.7 prado, but an aquaintence of
mine is a toyota trained mechanic and he speaks highly of them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 03:27
Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 03:27
3.0 L GQ Patrol: 1880 kg, 100 kW @4800, 224 Nm @ 3000
2.7 L Prado: 1946 kg, 112Kw @ 4800, 240 Nm @ 4000.
Can't imagine there would be a lot in it performance wise and the torque being developed so high in the Prado does not suggest great towing ability.
As I originally said, they're both underpowered, but will do the job if you can accept that. I loved my GQ, but it needed to be driven hard to get acceptable performance and used juice accordingly. I can't imagine the Prado would be a lot different.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 11:02
Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 11:02
Theres a number of these on the Prados email groups. Their owners speak quite highly of them. It is very underrated.
The plusses are that the motor is very reliable with pretty much no known problems. Its performance is also underrated, but 112Kw is not to be sneezed at, and they go
well. Fuel consumption is better than the V6 and about the same as the turbo-diesel. And you can buy one dirt cheap.
But, they are only available in the RV, so it will have the smaller tyres, 90litre fuel tank (no sub), no cruise or electric windows,
If you upsize the tyres a lot, you'll lose power, so either run with 225/75R16 on the standard rims or run 245/75R16 on 7 inch rims. To go to 265/75 will make the vehicle gutless.
If you get one cheap enough (say less than $20k), I believe they are very good value for money.
Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: porl - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 12:34
Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 12:34
I have an RV6 but drove a hilux the other day with the 2.7L and was so impressed. Apparently it is just the 4.5L in the 100 series with two end cylinders cut off. I have been told it has more torque on start up than the RV6 which is why it seems to jump when you get off stop. That would be good for sand.
no idea about towing.
You'd wanna get it pretty cheap though for all the above reasons.
Though i previously had a 4 cylinder 2.4L nissan and i had woeful troubles in the sand so i swore i'd never take a 4 cylinder petrol to sand again. Seeing as it is where i do most of my 4WD'ing i got a great deal on the RV6 a few years ago. Whereas i would just sit in deep sand unable to turn the wheels in the nissan, in the RV6 its got enough torque and power to drive the beast sideways.
Just a thought.
One big issue not mentioned here is try and get a vehicle that has the same width between wheels as what you are towing otherwise I have been told that when you hit the sand your motor is effectively dragging two vehicles through the sand along different tracks and it is unlikely both will be in compacted sand tracks which can make for very difficult (and fuel wise expensive) motoring.
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Reply By: Markymark - Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 12:38
Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 12:38
Overlander tow tested mid-size V6 auto wagons back in its May '97 issue. Explorer, Cherokee, Pathfinder, Prado, Pajero, Musso and thrown in for good measure, a 4cyl. manual Prado. All towed a 1500kg van.
From 60-80km/hr roll on acceleration the 4cyl Prado bettered all, attributed to being a manual & not waiting to kick down.
Standing start 0-80km/hr it bettered both Cherokee & Pathfinder.
Fuel economy was better than all of them over course of the
test, but all were close. This surprised testers as it did need to be revved on hills etc. where it felt the pinch more than the bigger motors, so they assumed it would use more fuel but it didn't!
Would hold on to top gear on highway comfortably too, but required downshifting for hills sometimes down to third.
They did give the gong to Pajero for overall performance & stability but as you can see, a very under-rated vehicle. Educated answers are good and generally close to the money, but real-life experience and tests like these will give you real answers.
Cheers,
Mark.
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Follow Up By: Markymark - Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 12:45
Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 12:45
Also because they're heaps cheaper than the V6 Prado, leaves you extra to put in a Unichip, better filter & extractors. WOuld probably be more powerful than the V6 then & still have good economy. BUT, just an educated answer! Would have to
check website figures & such for cost & power figures.
Cheers,
Mark.
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