Hecklers and tough guys wanted

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 16:15
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Tough guys wanted to pull me out of the mud or tell me what size winch you think I'd need to place on a Toyota Coaster.

I WILL be taking it up mild 4x4 tracks. It seems that today I annoyed a couple of ladies who think a Coaster belongs on a sealed road.

I'm ignoring them and am gonna gear up. I admit i am a novice but I'm getting into this activity anyway.

My main concern in mud.
The bus weighs ??? I dont know I guess 6 tonne??

What pound winch will I need?
How big can you get them?
What are the traps and pitfalls?
Where can I go to learn how to use this stuff hands on?

Any advice welcome.

Any hecklers welcome too... I laugh too...
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Reply By: Member - Ross P (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 16:23

Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 16:23
Go for it!
I think bicep size might also be a consideration.
I lugged my Tifor wnch, tree protector and snatch block all over central, northern and western Queensland and thankfully didn't have to use it once.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 16:48

Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 16:48
dont reckon it would be as much as 6 t 3tonne perhaps? are u talking electric or hand? If you are serios about a hand perhaps try one first just go to your local shopping centre at night hook it up to those bars used for trolley colection jam on the handbrake and give it a go - see if you are prepared for it ( I have never used one). If you were in kal I could give you one to try.
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Follow Up By: GUPatrol - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 18:51

Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 18:51
3 ton?

I put my GU on a weight bridge, just a tad under 3 ton....
Will
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 20:18

Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 20:18
you must have a hunk of lead in it - that camper on my rig pic weighs a tick under 3t and that includes sink stove and yes the kitchen sink
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Follow Up By: GUPatrol - Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 11:17

Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 11:17
The Patrol kerb weight is just under 2400kgs (from memory).
Mine is stock standard plus drawer system, fridge, bull bar (steel) winch, diff lock and that's it...

I confirmed that several times going to the tip, others in the club have put theirs on the weight bridge with similar results...
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 21:16

Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 21:16
I have an 80 series now with fiull barwork I will try that next time I go to the dump - I think they are a fair bit lighter than the 100s though wich weigh about as much as patrols
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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 17:54

Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 17:54
iMusty, assuming you are serious, and as you posted a second time I think you may just be... I'm sitting in my computer room looking at the coaster across the road(local catholic school jobby) and I'm thinking the ramp over angle(angle between the centre of the chassis and the point at which your wheels contact the road) is fairly insufficient. I honestly think the first errosion bank you come across will pull you up. Also the departure angle(angle between the rearmost part of the underside of the bus and where the rear wheel contacts the road) will also cause you some problems. This is based solely on my experiences on the tracks around Melbourne. As for the winch, I had to use a tirfor to get a shorty landcruiser out of a bog once, nearly killed me. I couldn't believe the effort involved, I'd imagine if you bogged the bus it would be life changing experience getting it free. If it's an electric job you want, talk to the experts at ARB, TJM, Opposite Lock or the like... You may find it difficult to get one fitted.

Good luck
Blue
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Follow Up By: iMusty - Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 01:09

Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 01:09
Good to hear your advice.
Yes the coaster does indeed look 'churchy'.
I figured if I dont wanna get stuck having to pray, I could take it along an expenditional growing curve.
I just want to take it as far as I can see, and when I get there, I'll see how much further I can take it.

Thanks for your valuable advice.
iMusty
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Reply By: Member - Raymond - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 19:15

Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 19:15
Hi Musty
The boys are really encouraging you. The Coaster weighs in at 5180 kilos so the turfor is going to be hard work unless of course you coaster is built like this one.
egards Ray
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Reply By: Member - Raymond - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 19:18

Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 19:18
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 19:39

Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 19:39
Now that would be a little more capable...
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Reply By: David Au - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 19:43

Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 19:43
iMusty seek out a diff lock or a limited slip diff first and foremost.
I was at The Boulders at Babinda in Nth Queensland, and had to ask a Torana for an assistance to tow my Cabstar off the flat level wet grass. It had the same running gear as your Coaster, and know only to well how easy it was to get bogged. I hope you are not blocking the track when we want to get through. I can imagine all the names and thoughts people would have about a Coaster going on the 4x4 tracks.
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Reply By: BenSpoon - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 19:43

Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 19:43
have ya looked into mud chains? bogged in mud with that much weight trying to overcome inertia will be your biggest challenge- I assume you are keen to do mainly road kms- so with a LT or AT tyre- Chains are sounding like a solid investment.
In regards to a winch, It may pay to look at some of the portable options, and ensure you have solid tow points in each corner. A 12000lb I imagine would be sufficient with a winch block (halves the pulling force on the winch required by doubling the distance of the rope pulled in). It seems to be the way to go for the heavier vehicles- a web serch revealed a number of small trucks and buses with them. Warn makes a 15000lb winch, but recommendations on getting a portable one so it can work in all directions. I know i've got enough problems with the back of my car slipping around in mud and thats only 4-odd metres long.

As for learning how/where to use it, give a look into joining your local SES- they are about the easiest access mob that have vehicles used to a somewhat similar capacity, you can get 4WD instructional courses through them, and get to see how they use their gear.

The major concern though, as mentioned- with ground clearance like that, you WILL find strife offroad, unless you turn your car into a boat by making up a giant skid plate and dragging your arse all over the country.. finding the centre of gravity wouldnt hurt.

Have you already got the coaster? Mitsubishi has a few 4WD canters that seem popular outback too.

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Reply By: Leroy - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 22:20

Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 22:20
Trade it for an Oka maybe?

Leroy
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Reply By: Bilbo - Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 22:43

Tuesday, Feb 08, 2005 at 22:43
I had a prospecting mate that got bogged in a Coaster one time at Nannine. Itbleepdown raining overnight while he was asleep. The Coaster sank up the belly in deep red Goldfields mud. Digging it out took him 2 days. It affected him for the rest of his life.

Now, as soon as he sees a cloud on the horizon - ZOOM! - he's off into the caravan park at the nearest town. Doesn't do as much detecting as he used to, uses more fuel though ;)

Back 'n too, back 'n too, back 'n too ,,,,,,,,,,,,

Bilbo

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Reply By: Timbobaroobob - Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 18:34

Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 18:34
The recommended capcity for an electric winch is 3 times the vehicle weight ie: if 3 tons get a 9 ton winch etc....
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Follow Up By: iMusty - Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 19:46

Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 19:46
3 x 5180kg...

Thats 15,540kg + my gear.

Thanks

Will post pics in due course
iMusty
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