CRUISE BREAKS!!
Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 21:51
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Member - Davoe (WA)
Ha you can log off now patrol men coz it still got us
home!!
Was out at Mt Monger today bushbashing off the tracks where Nissans fear to tread when I smelt diff oil and on closer examination I had done 4 out of 6 axle studs. Like a true Cruiser we finished the job and headed
home. I know this is not uncommon but why? The first most obvios answeris giving them a darn hard time but I would have thought that if 4 had broke then the last 2 should have.
I had problems with my camper breaking them but this was eventually traced to a bent axle. I have been told it happens if they come loose they can break or if the locating dowels come out (I thought they were just that-locating dowells) Or is it just something that happens. Oh btw it was a 75 seies not a 79 with the beefier studs
Reply By: Topcat (WA) - Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 22:48
Wednesday, Feb 09, 2005 at 22:48
Hi Davoe, I have had this happen to me before & from experience I have found that the first indication you get that an axle housing stud is loose or broken is the tell tale
sign of oil weeping around the axle flange gasket. The most common cause apart from overload is that the studs have not been tensioned to the correct torque (35Nm) when maintenace has been carried out. The cone washers are there to make sure there is no movement between the stud & the axle. I carry a spare set of studs plus a set of cone washers as
well. Usually if you find one broken, there is a bit of it protruding out of where the cone washer sits & can easily removed by hand otherwise an 'Easyout' (broken stud remover) is required. As you mentioned the 78 & 79 series improved on this by putting in larger diameter studs, however you can modify your axle housing to the larger size studs by using the 100 series axle housings & getting your axle stud holes machined to suit the larger studs. I believe there is another modification on the market where extra dowell pins are fitted between the stud positions to alleviate the load on the studs. Cheers.
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Follow Up By: BenSpoon - Thursday, Feb 10, 2005 at 00:19
Thursday, Feb 10, 2005 at 00:19
Couldnt be more spot on topcat! I popped 8 on my last 45 series before discovering the reason for the breakages. The benefit was I got damn quick at changing the hubs.
Check the torque on them often, and use loctite stud lock on them when putting them in. One thing thats stumped me, where the hell in Kal are there 4wd tracks to bust hubs though?? This place is flat!! when going for the easy outs, dont go cheapies, they have a habit of snapping of in the already sheared stud, and high strenght steel is a pig to drill out. Get a decent set, and get the right handle for them. Don Kyatt
perth (or the blue castle in Kal) sell em about $2.75 each or so for the stud, washer, cone and nut.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2005 at 09:12
Thursday, Feb 10, 2005 at 09:12
Ben that is what made me wonder what causes it. Besides a couple or 3 of washed out creek crossings I wasnt exactly giving it a hard time when it happened.
Topcat. My experiences have been a bit different to yours in that they usually bust off flush or in a bit. I f the mechanic has to drill out 2 or more they get a second hand hub coz it is cheaper than labour
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Follow Up By: BenSpoon - Thursday, Feb 10, 2005 at 11:32
Thursday, Feb 10, 2005 at 11:32
Davoe-
If you ever feel like having a damn good laugh, go to toyota and ask the price of a genuine replacement!
As I recall I managed to do one coming out of a car park once- I put that down to too much play built up between the hub and the cone washers though. The mention by topcat that "there is a bit of it protruding out of where the cone washer sits & can easily removed by hand " gives credit to the studs loosening off, then the play causing the shearing. If you are putting the hubs back on and not a mechanic, get 2 of the nuts onto one end of a stud screwed into the hub, lock them together (tighten them into each other) and then put the 35Nm onto it so the stud is right into the hub, then do the same force on the stud nuts once the axle is on with the cones.
I found just hand-screwing in the studs into the hub then torquing the final assembly caused more breakages.
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Reply By: Happy GU Owner - Thursday, Feb 10, 2005 at 12:50
Thursday, Feb 10, 2005 at 12:50
Davoe,
My experience with breakage of studs, and the continual breakage of studs on the rear diff of the mostly unstoppable cruiser, is that the rear wheel bearings will be stuffed.
We were continually breaking studs, we would
check wheels, axles, studs, nuts, and even the bearings themselves, and all seemed ok. It is only when we replaced the bearings that the studs stopped breaking.
Mic
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