Which Landcruiser?

Submitted: Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 09:24
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Hi All,

Looking at updating my TD Prado to a full size Landcruiser. I am currently looking at the GXL version in either the straight Diesel or Turbo Diesel. Is the extra $10k worth it for the TD version. I mainly use the car for touring the outback and tow a 1.5t camper trailer on all long trips. Is there enough power in the standard diesel, or will I be wishing I had the Turbo when towing?

Thanks
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Reply By: Member - Karl - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 09:47

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 09:47
Go a normaly asperated diesel and whack on an aftermarket turbo and save heaps on the cost. Turbo kits for a Landcruiser are around $3000 - just make sure you get it fitted by a reputable dealer.
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Follow Up By: TheUndertaker - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 10:41

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 10:41
And will toyota then come to the party for any warranty claims on motor ? might just find that the internals of the factory turbo motor vary a little compared to the non turbo.
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Follow Up By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 15:22

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 15:22
The LC TD engine is SOHC 4V direct injected, whereas the std is SOHC 2V in-direct injected. I doubt an aftermarket turbo kit will take the std engine from its 96kW to the 150kW the factory TD puts out, or provide the fuel economy and driveability benfits of the direct injected engine.

There is no doubt that an aftermarket turbo kit will transform the std engine, but if it were me I would opt for the factory TD (on basis of engine performance alone).

Another worthy consideration is that the std GXL comes with live axle front suspension, whereas the TD has IFS. If absolute power and fuel economy aren't so important as off roadability, then perhaps the after market turbo upgrade to a std GXL would be a good option.

Regards,
Hugh

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Follow Up By: Davoe - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 16:10

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 16:10
comparison was done in one of the mags and aftermarket turbo came out on top. however you will void your warranty and toyota do make significant but subtle changes to their t.d engines for good rasons
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 10:27

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 10:27
Hi Timmy
Go for the turbo version you will find that it is value for money.
After market turbos are ok but why not have a factory designed and built unit
Ray
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Reply By: Alan S (NSW) - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 11:07

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 11:07
All valid points, why not go and drive both and see what you think?

I have a DX landcruiser i.e. poverty pack and saved heaps over a non turbo GXL but I have to wind up my own windows :-( . I think the normally aspirated diesel (1 HZ) is underpowered but I hope to install a turbo next year. The cruiser is now out of warranty. My LC kitted out with all the trimmings and an after market turbo will still be cheaper than a GXL (any model). Up to you in the end.

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Reply By: Russ - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 11:23

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 11:23
We purchased a 4.2TD LC last October after driving a Diesel Hi Lux and towing around 1t camper.

Could not be happier, you will not Know that you have anything on the back with the TD.

Slowing setting it up for bushing it again.

Fuel: Country trips -- 10.61 to 11.00 L/100km, city -- 11.5 to 12.5 l/110km, and I'm pretty happy with this.

No roof rack yet, so no resistence to affect fuel consuption.

Nice car, you wont be sorry.

Russ
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Follow Up By: Robsoff - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 15:51

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 15:51
How???? How do you get that much from your cruiser??? I have tried with rack, without rack, going hard, going slow, cruising, tramping, original tyres, 285 tyres, Dtronic, and nothing, nothing at all will get me below about 14l/100km

Do i have a lemon???

Rob
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Follow Up By: TheUndertaker - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 16:26

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 16:26
Brotherinlaws 03 gxl tdlc gets same sort of figures towing ct or boat, his previous 92 80series gxl td wasjust a tad better fuel wise ,consistant 10lt per 100klm h/way. Me thinks its all in throttle control. !!
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 21:44

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 21:44
Rob, had the injectors serviced and the fuel pump settings checked ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul T- Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 22:17

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 22:17
Robsoff

I have just recieved a letter from toyota re my TD 100 2002 model stating that it may have an earth problem with the fuel guage which results in an inaccurate fuel tank reading.

In other words your guage may be showing empty when in fact there may be more fuel in the tank.

Apparently some 2001/2002 models may have this earthing problem. Check it out with your local Tojo dealer.

I am waiting on the replacement part to arrive. When it does it may result in an improvement in fuel economy.

Even so with my current fuel guage I am averaging around 11.5 to 12 ltrs per 100 klms

A mate of mine who has the 2004 model TD cruiser is getting around 10.5 to 11 lts/100 klms.

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Member- Peter & Mrs Peter, Lez - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 22:48

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 22:48
Paul T, Surely you dont use your fuel guage to calculate economy!!!
Don't you divide the km travelled by how many Lt you actually put in the tank? Your economy has nothing to do wiyh the fuel guage working properly.
Cheers Peter
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Follow Up By: Robsoff - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 10:28

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 10:28
I use the "fill tank and calculate on refill" method so its not a guage problem.
I do have the 285's fitted but even before with the standard tyres it was the same. Only have 45k on the clock so unless theres a problem the injectors and pump should be fine. Even running "cruiser oil" to see if that helps but nothing, I know its "throttle control" but I can say i have tried everything. I am in the maintenance business and know how to look after gear and to get the most out of it and it gets on my wick when Mr Toyota tells me it must be the way i drive.

I just cant seem to get anymore out of it, 250-300km out of the sub and 500/550 out of the main even at best this is 850km@141L =16.5L per 100km which sucks!!!

What can it be??
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Follow Up By: Tony&Tina - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 15:51

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 15:51
Rob,
Recently had a simmilar problem as you, same vehicle too. When my fuel economy took a turn for the worse I checked everything, {air cleaner, fuel filters, even changed brand of fuel} but no change. Then I checked the tire pressures and low and behold the right rear was 5psi down. Didn't think this would make any differance but after pumping it up fuel economy back to normal.
Good luck T&T
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Reply By: ChrisB - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 11:44

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 11:44
I have the GXL 105 series and only find it lacks power only when driving around town. Once up to cruising speed it’s great. We also tow a couple of horses around with no problem.

I went for the non-turbo cause I wanted the rigid front axel and always though if I need a turbo I’ll upgrade to an aftermarket one when the warranty runs out.
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Reply By: stitch - Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 23:53

Friday, Mar 11, 2005 at 23:53
Wonder why there isn't an option to order a live front axle setup with the t/d GXL instead of IFS only??? It would probably be good for the V8 to be available with coil springs on the front as well as an option.
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 17:21

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 17:21
Just ensure you check out the front suspension before you take delivery :)

Mike Harding
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