dual cabs - which one?

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we are thinking of trading in our GQ patrol for a dual cab - either a navara, hilux or triton. One of the main requirements is the leg room in the back seat as with 2 kids constantly growing we need the space to stop the complaints coming from the back seat on long trips.
We would appreciate any advice if others have looked into this. We will be going around and checking for ouselves as well but if others have done the research first it saves a bit of time.
Also any advice on reliability/common faults on any of these utes would be helpful. Most likely going for diesel/turbo diesel models.
Thanks in advance
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Reply By: andy - Tuesday, Oct 08, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Oct 08, 2002 at 00:00
I have just purchased a Hilux dual cab for the same reasons as you. Traded a Turbo Diesel Landcruiser 80 series. I too was worried about internal space and did some testing of a few models. The SR5 was equal in options as the Landcruiser with more carrying capacity in the rear (with a canopy). I have had to put in a heavy duty rear suspension for carrying and towing. The rear legroom in the hilux is better than the pre 97 models and the front seat goes back further. The kids and mother in law have never complained about space however 3 adults in the back seat would be a bit of a squash on trips. I can reccommend the Turbo as I didn't get one and find that the lux struggles a bit when fully loaded. You can maintain 100 no probs but overtaking is a real bitch on the highway. There are heaps of aftermarket products available for the new lux and I have found the SR5 a heap more comfortable than my mates standard dual cab.

There is an optional "safety kit" available which has duel airbags, abs and a few other things but new it will cost you a couple of g's more. Checkout the Toyota USA websight. You can see the whole list of options that are available and can "build your own truck" online. You can even get 360 degrees views and all colour options. Toyota Australia have a similar service but not quite as good. By the way the yanks call the Hilux a Tecoma.

No common faults in fact my 70,000 kms have been trouble free. 1 set of tyres, oil every 5,000 km's and a couple of broken headlight globes. Two probs that I have since rectified one being the exhaust gasket blew out at 60,000. Easy and cheap repair. The second one is that the front torsion bars sagged a couple of inches when I fitted Bull bar, whinch, side rails and steps. They just wern't designed for the extra weight. I found that they had heaps of adjustment left and cranked them up a couple of notches and they now ride level again. This job took 5 minutes with a jack and a spanner.

In comparison to the other models the hilux drove better, was better fitted out and had better ground clearence and availability of aftermarket parts. The lux was more expensive and in hindsight I wished i had gone the turbo. The main critisisim that I have about these models is that the standard fuel tank is only 66 litres. Good for about 600km's. I have an aftermarket one 115 litres good for about 1000 km's. Great vehicle though. Andy
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Reply By: andy - Tuesday, Oct 08, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Oct 08, 2002 at 00:00
I have just purchased a Hilux dual cab for the same reasons as you. Traded a Turbo Diesel Landcruiser 80 series. I too was worried about internal space and did some testing of a few models. The SR5 was equal in options as the Landcruiser with more carrying capacity in the rear (with a canopy). I have had to put in a heavy duty rear suspension for carrying and towing. The rear legroom in the hilux is better than the pre 97 models and the front seat goes back further. The kids and mother in law have never complained about space however 3 adults in the back seat would be a bit of a squash on trips. I can reccommend the Turbo as I didn't get one and find that the lux struggles a bit when fully loaded. You can maintain 100 no probs but overtaking is a real bitch on the highway. There are heaps of aftermarket products available for the new lux and I have found the SR5 a heap more comfortable than my mates standard dual cab.

There is an optional "safety kit" available which has duel airbags, abs and a few other things but new it will cost you a couple of g's more. Checkout the Toyota USA websight. You can see the whole list of options that are available and can "build your own truck" online. You can even get 360 degrees views and all colour options. Toyota Australia have a similar service but not quite as good. By the way the yanks call the Hilux a Tecoma.

No common faults in fact my 70,000 kms have been trouble free. 1 set of tyres, oil every 5,000 km's and a couple of broken headlight globes. Two probs that I have since rectified one being the exhaust gasket blew out at 60,000. Easy and cheap repair. The second one is that the front torsion bars sagged a couple of inches when I fitted Bull bar, whinch, side rails and steps. They just wern't designed for the extra weight. I found that they had heaps of adjustment left and cranked them up a couple of notches and they now ride level again. This job took 5 minutes with a jack and a spanner.

In comparison to the other models the hilux drove better, was better fitted out and had better ground clearence and availability of aftermarket parts. The lux was more expensive and in hindsight I wished i had gone the turbo. The main critisisim that I have about these models is that the standard fuel tank is only 66 litres. Good for about 600km's. I have an aftermarket one 115 litres good for about 1000 km's. Great vehicle though. Andy
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Reply By: andy - Tuesday, Oct 08, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Oct 08, 2002 at 00:00
I have just purchased a Hilux dual cab for the same reasons as you. Traded a Turbo Diesel Landcruiser 80 series. I too was worried about internal space and did some testing of a few models. The SR5 was equal in options as the Landcruiser with more carrying capacity in the rear (with a canopy). I have had to put in a heavy duty rear suspension for carrying and towing. The rear legroom in the hilux is better than the pre 97 models and the front seat goes back further. The kids and mother in law have never complained about space however 3 adults in the back seat would be a bit of a squash on trips. I can reccommend the Turbo as I didn't get one and find that the lux struggles a bit when fully loaded. You can maintain 100 no probs but overtaking is a real bitch on the highway. There are heaps of aftermarket products available for the new lux and I have found the SR5 a heap more comfortable than my mates standard dual cab.

There is an optional "safety kit" available which has duel airbags, abs and a few other things but new it will cost you a couple of g's more. Checkout the Toyota USA websight. You can see the whole list of options that are available and can "build your own truck" online. You can even get 360 degrees views and all colour options. Toyota Australia have a similar service but not quite as good. By the way the yanks call the Hilux a Tecoma.

No common faults in fact my 70,000 kms have been trouble free. 1 set of tyres, oil every 5,000 km's and a couple of broken headlight globes. Two probs that I have since rectified one being the exhaust gasket blew out at 60,000. Easy and cheap repair. The second one is that the front torsion bars sagged a couple of inches when I fitted Bull bar, whinch, side rails and steps. They just wern't designed for the extra weight. I found that they had heaps of adjustment left and cranked them up a couple of notches and they now ride level again. This job took 5 minutes with a jack and a spanner.

In comparison to the other models the hilux drove better, was better fitted out and had better ground clearence and availability of aftermarket parts. The lux was more expensive and in hindsight I wished i had gone the turbo. The main critisisim that I have about these models is that the standard fuel tank is only 66 litres. Good for about 600km's. I have an aftermarket one 115 litres good for about 1000 km's. Great vehicle though. Andy
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Reply By: andy - Tuesday, Oct 08, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Oct 08, 2002 at 00:00
I have just purchased a Hilux dual cab for the same reasons as you. Traded a Turbo Diesel Landcruiser 80 series. I too was worried about internal space and did some testing of a few models. The SR5 was equal in options as the Landcruiser with more carrying capacity in the rear (with a canopy). I have had to put in a heavy duty rear suspension for carrying and towing. The rear legroom in the hilux is better than the pre 97 models and the front seat goes back further. The kids and mother in law have never complained about space however 3 adults in the back seat would be a bit of a squash on trips. I can reccommend the Turbo as I didn't get one and find that the lux struggles a bit when fully loaded. You can maintain 100 no probs but overtaking is a real bitch on the highway. There are heaps of aftermarket products available for the new lux and I have found the SR5 a heap more comfortable than my mates standard dual cab.

There is an optional "safety kit" available which has duel airbags, abs and a few other things but new it will cost you a couple of g's more. Checkout the Toyota USA websight. You can see the whole list of options that are available and can "build your own truck" online. You can even get 360 degrees views and all colour options. Toyota Australia have a similar service but not quite as good. By the way the yanks call the Hilux a Tecoma.

No common faults in fact my 70,000 kms have been trouble free. 1 set of tyres, oil every 5,000 km's and a couple of broken headlight globes. Two probs that I have since rectified one being the exhaust gasket blew out at 60,000. Easy and cheap repair. The second one is that the front torsion bars sagged a couple of inches when I fitted Bull bar, whinch, side rails and steps. They just wern't designed for the extra weight. I found that they had heaps of adjustment left and cranked them up a couple of notches and they now ride level again. This job took 5 minutes with a jack and a spanner.

In comparison to the other models the hilux drove better, was better fitted out and had better ground clearence and availability of aftermarket parts. The lux was more expensive and in hindsight I wished i had gone the turbo. The main critisisim that I have about these models is that the standard fuel tank is only 66 litres. Good for about 600km's. I have an aftermarket one 115 litres good for about 1000 km's. Great vehicle though. Andy
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Follow Up By: Scooby - Thursday, Oct 10, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Oct 10, 2002 at 00:00
Andy,Thanks for followup below. I had new injectors fitted yesterday so will see if the fuel consumption improves. I have a custom made canopy fitted to the tray of my lux so the poor fuel economy could also be due to increased air resistance. I am interested to here that you have a snorkle fitted. Do you have an increase in induction noise? Is your air cleaner a Finer Filter? I am also considering extractors and hi-flow muffler to improve power and economy. Any thoughts?
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Follow Up By: Andy - Saturday, Oct 12, 2002 at 00:00

Saturday, Oct 12, 2002 at 00:00
Hi Scooby, in reply to your questions about the Hilux, I have every possible accessory added to the vehicle including heavy springs, hi rise canopy, heavy duty towbar/rear step, side protection steps fridge etc etc and |I recon that I must be carrying at least 750 kgs of additional weight. It seems strange that it has not altered my economy to any noticable amount. When the snorkle was fitted I did immediately notice a reverberation or resenance in the engine between about 1800 and 2100 rpms when under load. At 100 or while cruising at most speeds the noise is not noticable luckily. Also about a week after the snorkle was fitted I blew out an exhaust engine pipe gasket. Only a quick repair and probably not related. Aparently the resonance is fixable with a Toyota air box that is fitted in the front left of the engine bay. However if you have duel batteries as I have it wont fit. The problem is pretty common from what I hear so Toyota make the box for this reason. Currently I am using a finer filter in the lux and since fitting the snorkle I have noticed that the filter box gets a lot more larger stuff like bugs and dirt and leaves inside. The amount of dust would be obviousy increased too. I was told that the economy and power should increase a little with a snorkle but to this day the economy in mine has not changed. Power is up slightly though. Noticable on hills. Not a huge boost at all. The main reason that I got it fitted is that it is a really cheap way to make sure that you dont blow the engine when in creeks. I just have to raise the diff breathers now so as I am really waterproof. Andy
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Reply By: scooby - Wednesday, Oct 09, 2002 at 00:00

Wednesday, Oct 09, 2002 at 00:00
I agree 100% with what Andy has to say. I have a 1999 3Litre SR 5 duel cab and am very happy with it. The turbo would be nice but is much more expensive. The fuel consumption around town is great, 10 litres/100k. Not impressed with the country consumption - 16.5 litres/100k. There must be something wrong, the vehicle is going in to a fuel injection specialist tonight to be checked out, so we will see if they can find something amiss.
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Follow Up By: Andy - Wednesday, Oct 09, 2002 at 00:00

Wednesday, Oct 09, 2002 at 00:00
Hi Scooby, your highway milage figure doesn't sound too good at all. I am getting around 10-11litres per 100 k's nomatter where I drive. In fact 90% of my milage is in the country and high country mountains. I live near Mansfield and am getting pretty cosistent milage even when down in town. I have a snorkle and have a cleanable air filter that I blast out at every 10,000km's. I thought that when I added about 700 kgs of extras to the car that the milage would suffer. It didn't change . The accelleration from scratch did suffer a little though. Get the fuel pump and injectors checked too. It could be a dreally dirty air filter. Make sure that the oil is ok in the gearbox. transfer case and both diffs and that your tyre pressures are good too. It all helps. Andy
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Reply By: Graham Taylor - Wednesday, Oct 09, 2002 at 00:00

Wednesday, Oct 09, 2002 at 00:00
I had a `94 Triton Double Luxury Cab, can`t really recomend it as the seats got very hard on a long trip. ( front & back) It was a 2.5 turbo diesel, & the performance was only average- not much power, only 70 odd kw, & 200nm torque. Fuel consumption was 25mpg on a trip - 100 -110 kph, 27 mpg on average around town. Rear seat room was only O.K. far adults if the front seats were forwad enough, but as I previously mentioned, every one got a numb bum on a long trip.The later model 2.8 diesel was non turbo, but put out much the same kw, nm figures. Hope you can find a suitable vehicle. Regards G.T.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Wednesday, Oct 09, 2002 at 00:00

Wednesday, Oct 09, 2002 at 00:00
G'day Mikell, We've got a Hilux 3 litre D/Cab, knocked up 30k today, not a turbo, but rattles along okay on gravel roads. Rough as guts, but A/M springs would fix that. Reckon the turbo would be the way to go, if they are like the 80 series turbo. Did a 6 hour drive, as a passenger, in a rodeo. Quite smooth with 5 on board, and plenty of hoot, but doesn't have the hilux's clearance. An SR5 would be nice! Enjoy your shopping....
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Reply By: Jason - Thursday, Oct 10, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Oct 10, 2002 at 00:00
Mikell,

Have you considered the Land Rover Defender 130 Crew Cab? I have no personal experience with them but they seem to have a good reputation. Might be worht checking out.

Jason
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Reply By: lew - Sunday, Oct 13, 2002 at 00:00

Sunday, Oct 13, 2002 at 00:00
Hi Mikell, I have recently purchaced a new Navara TD after having three
Navara diesels before . This one is great I have two country propertys
150ks apart and towing heavy trailers & machinery between the two is
not a problem. I never had any real problems with the earlier models they just didn't have the power this one has .A common with all of them
was the need to beef up the rear suspension and like most D/cabs not
a lot of room for adults in the back seat. Good luck
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