Dont be talked into Cheaper Tyres!!!

Submitted: Sunday, Apr 03, 2005 at 20:44
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Got chatting to a bloke at the Innamincka Pub who had just suffered 2 punctures in the space of 2hours. One staked in the sidewall so it was a writeoff. Lukcy he had two spares.

He was all ready to replace his ailing BFG AT's with another set of the same. Local tyre place managed to convince him that a set of Serengetti's (i think thats how they are spelt), were much better than the BFG's.

So if you do your research and have a plan on what you want to buy, dont get talked into something cheaper, unless you go away and do some research and determine they are infact better.

My coopers have done 40K in total and close to 30K outside of Metro and they are still puncture free (touch wood). So be wary of brands you havent heard before!

Cheers,

Glenno.

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Reply By: Member - David 0- Sunday, Apr 03, 2005 at 20:49

Sunday, Apr 03, 2005 at 20:49
Stakes have a habit of going through sidewalls without checking what brand of tyre it is. :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Sunday, Apr 03, 2005 at 20:54

Sunday, Apr 03, 2005 at 20:54
They sure do - that includes Coopers, BFGs and just about any other tyre you want to think of. Someone should ban stakes !!!

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Follow Up By: johnsy1 - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:50

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:50
Mulga stakes would have to be the best ,they have no respect even for steel ply earth moving tyres regardless of ply rating.
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 16:54

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 16:54
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Follow Up By: johnsy1 - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 19:37

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 19:37
633 ,988,ts24,graders had plenty lol smarty
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Reply By: Member - Banjo (SA) - Sunday, Apr 03, 2005 at 21:17

Sunday, Apr 03, 2005 at 21:17
Fair enough Glenno, but a thought or two:
1. Might the bloke at Innamincka have trouble selling BFG's at around $275 to $300, so he chooses not to stock them ?
2. I've yet to have a flat in a BFG (but I am an urban based, outback tripper I confess).
3. Is your suggestion that a BFG might be something "cheap" that someone could get talked into ?
The "bloke" has a right to be disappointed with his tyre lottery, but I'm not sure the advice he got is worth any more than we get here in the suburbs.
What do these Serengetti things cost ?

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Follow Up By: Member - Browny (VIC) - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 15:42

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 15:42
Banjo,

The way I read it is Glennos mate had BFG's and was happy with them but was talked in to buying a different brand when he was replacing them, I don't think anyone is having a go at BFG's

Maybe we should both read it again............:-)

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Follow Up By: Member - Banjo (SA) - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 16:01

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 16:01
You could be right Browny - journalism is an exacting trade ...... maybe the post could have been written better....."but Im know angle" !
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Reply By: Outbackstuff - Sunday, Apr 03, 2005 at 21:22

Sunday, Apr 03, 2005 at 21:22
We did the Cape last year and in our group - i was the only one that got any (two) punctures - both in river crossings - giving it a gut full as i was towing a camper trailer. I was impressed with the Coopers - although i was the only one in the group using them - i put the punctures to "S" happens. On both occasions it was a plug, reflate and lets go.

Tyres are one of those items every body has heard a different story on. It could be Serengettis are prone to side wall stackes like my coopers are prone to puncture - maybe - maybe not - the imprortant thing is when you choose a tyre for for your 4WD and or Family sedan, you take into account what you have read / heard about and check out he walls, reviews, local (reliable non salesman) tyre man. and feel comfortable with what your puttiing on. You do get the choose. I also always look at what tyres people are running on there cars - everytime i see a 4wd - i look check out as much as i can in regard to gear, setup, tyres, condition of Vehicle etc - a picture tells a 1000 words and if the car looks setup and for the rough Stuff and the tyres are gleaming from the show room - chances are they hace stacked up to some serious abuse.

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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Sunday, Apr 03, 2005 at 23:25

Sunday, Apr 03, 2005 at 23:25
Made me feel very comfortable when I dropped in on Russell Guest's in Fairfield just prior to Christmas last year. Being Christmas all the tag a long lead vehicles were in for service. Never seen so many 100 series LC's in one place.

All, without exception, run Coopers ST's or the new ST on one or two. I figure a bloke in a business like that might get a good deal on them, but I also figure with what he has at stake (oh another pun) both from a reliability, safety and reputation point of view he would seek a deal from someone else if they were in any way unhappy with them.

And my STs on my Courier being the light truck variety of carcass have more in the sidewalls than many of the competitors.

I'm happy. They're bloody quiet too.

Dave
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Follow Up By: Bob of KAOS - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 07:11

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 07:11
Dave,
on the other hand, they may destroy tyres so fast that having a long life tyre is not important. So a tax deductible tyre that wears out after 40,000 km is a good choice for a business operator, but not so good for Bob or Dave Average.
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:14

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:14
Oh go right ahead rain on my parade. I'd not thought of it like that.

You could have left me in my own little happy bubble...

Gee thanks

Dave

PS They were on what were I think their staffs personal vehicles too, 2 sets ST's and a set of STT's from memory. I'm a bit happier.
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 07:34

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 07:34
I used to think the same did 4 BFG s on one trip.

All the best
Eric
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:29

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:29
I did 2 brand new saveros on the grr was it because they were cheap or coz I had 55 psi in them (I am wiser now) - If you want tough tyres that are truly puncture resistant and have tough sidewalls there is only 1 choice that is rags tyres are just a compramise. The maker that makes muddies that are quite, last 150k and are puncture proof as well as handling well and being appropriatly speed and load rated will finish the great debates on this forum and cut threads by 1/2 but till then....................
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 18:36

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 18:36
Davoe, i am about to purchase 2 new tyres and pesty raves about the savero a/t's....any comments?
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 22:20

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 22:20
like I said they lasted about 500k if they were luckey - both popped like balloons on the grr (rear)but then i was running 55psi so while I wouldnt buy them again I guess the jurys somewhat out (The weight of my camper would be on the limits of their and other simular tyres limits)
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Reply By: Shaker - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 13:25

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 13:25
After my experiences with Cooper STs, I will never pay that sort of money again for tyres. Got Firestone RMTs at the moment, $175.00 each ........ love em!
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 14:19

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 14:19
I've gotta say I'm about to spend some $$$ on tyres and let the Desert Duellers go, but I stil' haven't made my mind up, for $150 each they are awsome tyres... But I'm seriously looking at the MTR's at this point. $233 each.... Oh wowies me! What to do!
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Reply By: Member - Tim - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 15:09

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 15:09
I had a set of BFGs (265/75/16) that had done 70k. They had been to the cape, out to Uluru, back via the Strzlecki, Fraser four times, various other beaches and 4wd parks and I never had a puncture. However they started to get hard and I was no longer happy to trust my family to their wet weather handling. They were on the car for four years so cost me about $250 per year which I think is a pretty good investment. I have just replaced them with some of the new Dick Cepeck FCIIs in the same size and am looking forwards to those giving me just as good a run as we are planning a trip up to the gulf soon. They seem to ride a little softer than the BFGs but handle just as well but they are a little more expensive. The BFGs have gone onto the camper trailer so I now have the same size wheels on everything.

All in all I don't think that tyres are very expensive when you work it out over their life. You will spend a lot more on fuel and other maintenance so why not get the ones you think will be the best rather than the best deal at the time?

Tim.
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Follow Up By: Werner - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 23:28

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 23:28
Hi all, I bought some cheaper Khumo tyres for my 4runner, the tyres lasting about 40000km which was longer than any tyre I had on my Subaru previously (sidewall puctures were a main problem). My mechanic convinced me to switch to BFG AT's (not sure of profile) and so far, touch wood, 60000km trouble free even over the gibber rubbish which straddles the Qld/SA border areas. Tread is getting down a bit now but I am quite happy with them. Cost was about $215 each.

Werner
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Reply By: Pezza - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 18:01

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 18:01
After reading yet another thread on this subject I'm going to attempt to find a solution to this debate, I'm going to zip tie some solid, mud terrain treaded bobcat tyres to the GU!!
I'll let you know how they go.

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Reply By: snailbate - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2005 at 21:20

Tuesday, Apr 05, 2005 at 21:20
hi ET AALL
The problems you re talking about could be put down to Tyre pressure
The tyre pressure that is recomended for your vehicle is the way to go dont lower the pressure when on out back country roads to get a softer ride and be carful when going across the simpson with lower pressure the Len Beadell method was to mend 10 tyres every night when he was out on the deseret But you can stop this by not traviling at speed when you have lowered the tyre presure this would be talked about at clubs driver training days join a club
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