speeding tickets

Maybe your right. So now I just add to the problem to maintain my points. If someone is sitting above 90kph or up and down in speeds I have to sit behind and add to the length of traffic. Try safely overtaking at the speed limit if the car in front is even doing just under 90kph, without overtaking lanes.

yea then you come to them overtakign lanes and the scum always speedup! We had one dude that sped up to 130+ then as the lane died, he slowed down to 90in a 110.. he ended gettin run off the road by an angry punter.. well deserved I say.

Im just as narky on the road as anyone.

But I think im getting old.er.

I just try to think of them as my best friend having an off day.

I hate the "scum" too. But I love my peace and new tollerance better.

I nearly died Xmas 2003. In a fight. Hmmm serious bashing. It didn't turn my life around 100% or anything religious like that, But I think I've taken on a broader view than I did before.

I'll still knock their blocks off but only when I think it's desperatly needed.

We are not professional drivers here, But we are damn close.

Lets slow down.

Checked that out as the second one was as you described above. Guy up and down in speed, waited for passing lane and he went up to 110. I kept going and got past but worn the fine. RACQ solicitor tells me there's little chance of beating fines now. Also said (don't know if it's true) warnings are a thing of the past, pretty much policy now that if you get pulled up you will get a fine. Asked why I see lots of cops not indicating, speeding etc, etc. Was told that the only law that applies to them is drunk driving, pretty much they don't have to follow the law while on duty except for drinking.

I think the same applies to tram drivers in Melbourne.

Except their excempt from the drink drive too! LOL

Austravel,

Only speaking for Queensland here but police are not exempt from state laws. In fact Queensland police are subject to normal citizens law and the Police Act so can in fact be charged twice if necessary.

They do have some exemptions under some circumstances such as when responding to an emargency under lights and siren then they can go through a red light etc. Even when doing this however if they have a prang then they can still be charged with driving with undue care and attention.

Just wanted to clear that one up.

Cheers

Brian

Yeah same thing applies in NSW - just the other day there was a story on the TV new of a senior sergeant out Wagga way who was clocked at 160kph and he went to court in Golburn (I think) - lost his licence for 18 months.

Brian,

Don't know, this was said by a solicitor at RACQ. I also asked the same question of someone I know who works in the traffic branch. Was told the same thing, exempt from the traffic law while on duty. I asked what did being on duty mean and was told pretty much at any time for a traffic cop. Like I said I don't know the act but was told this twice in the past few weeks.

It's pretty unusal around here to see police indicate either changing lanes or round-a-bouts, had them pass me numerous times well above the limit with no lights or siren. Just damn frustrating when you adhere to the law as best you can and get slugged when there are other drivers that get away with pretty dangerous stunts. I include driving at 60-70kph on highways as dangerous. See it many times when traveling.

Anyhow did the crime pay the fine. Just will be very, very carefull for 3 years, can't even afford a small infringment on my points.

anyone ever seen a bacon pulled over for breaking the law.

A friend of mine is a Qld police officer. He has told me that he has had a few please explains for when he has been snapped by a speed camera. Apparently unless you can prove that you were in a lawful chase or whatever then you wear the fine. So if he was doing 70km/h in a 60 zone while on duty in a police car but only going to the shop or serving a warrant etc then he has to pay the fine and points plus get an ass kicking from someone higher up.

Hi Patrol, that Des Ross from Wagga only lost his licence for 6 months and got a $1000 fine. But he got on the news and said he had suffered enough from the humiliation from the public. Mind you, he told three bull shiiit stories when the Gundagai Highway Patrol pulled him over to try and get out of it. And he was caught in an SS Highway patrol car. Serves himself right..........it's not the first time he has been in trouble.
Karen

Hmm...

I wonder how you feel about it Jeff?

Its obviously not friday yet...

Jeff you are a true gentleman with a fine moral conviction. I applaud your sentiments. I too value the life of my family over a ridiculously applied law. The Highway patrol are unfortunately merely tax collectors and servants of greedy decietful government policy.

Don't hold back Jeff :)

Troy, I trust you'd have better judgment than to book someone for speeding while mearly trying to overtake someone in the saffest way possible and using their common sense, so it would be a non-issue for you. I also will add that I was talking about coppers that hypothetically would have pulled me over and fined me for overtaking someone. Not the coppers like yourself who work hard in general duties, especially those working in the "more difficult" areas such as yourself. I do have the respect of those police offers. Just not the ones who take every oppertunity to make themselves feel powerful by using every single letter in the law to fine people for doing things that are clearly not dangerous or seen to be wrong by the community.
If there is anyone on this forum or even in the general community that thought it was wrong to speed while overtaking on the highway (with all other common sense factors in place) I would be very suprised.

Warthog has it all in place though, ANYONE that thinks they can get in the way of the saftey of my family is in la la land and deserves what they get.

Bennspoon, it friday now! ;-)

IMusty, well sometimes we all get emotional, but I tell you I stand by my comments 110%.

Now I will stand up or the WA Police (well the country ones that I have had experiences with anyway). I do recall a couple of years ago I was heading up a hill trying to pass a wally (using an overtaking lane) and he did the ol' speed up and don't let someone pass you trick (which I might add is the most dangerous and self centred thing I can imagine on the road and should be punishable by the removal of testical with blunt siscors) and I had the speed up to about 130km/hr (in a new subaru forrestor). As I came over the hill and pulled back into the left lane and backed off there was a patrol car heading the other way. All he did was flash his hi beams at me and kept drivng. Fair enough in my books, he's let me know he's seen me, said hey just watch your speed buddy and kept going. That's policing IMHO. He obviously understood the scenario as there was an overtaking lane, he could see my speed was dropping quite quickly as I'd pulled back in and there was a falcon with a caravan behind me.
So it's no all doom and gloom, but these coppers over east sound like totaly IDIOTS as we are hearing more and more reports of these REDICULOUS speeding fines, like the caravan insident and a couple of other overtaking fines in previous threads. THESE PEOPLE SHOULD WAKE UP TO THEMSELVES. Start tring to catch the people who are DANGEROUS, not the people who are genuinally trying to do the right thing.

My old man got pinged on his bike overtaking a truck- you could actually see his indicator on in thespeed camera photo. He tried to argue it with coppers, and was told the only way to do this was to take it to court. He went to court, and the judge told him he should have been let off with after writing a letter, given his good previous record. He was ordered to pay court costs, and the fine was dropped.

It still happens sometimes- if you get through to the right person.
Its worth a shot.

On his bike!

How fast was he peddling?

It was downhill and the pub at the bottom of it was starting happy hour...

lmao :-)

Brian B, you equally run the risk of coming unstuck whilst you sit in the wrong lane at 100km/h overtaking the person who has been sitting on 90-95km/h for the last 50km. I would personally consider it safer to spend less time in the wrong lane and overtake at (shock horror) 115-120km/h than spread myself across the front of the oncoming B-double at a nice safe 100km/h.

Warthog,

Mate everyone is entitled to their opinion on this one.

I unfortunately have seen the end result of both methods of unsafe overtaking at times and neither are what you want to see so the only message I want to promote is road safety and the application of common sense as the negative results are true shock horror value.

The one thing I see time and time again is mishaps happening at speed and there is no escaping the fact that it is a major contributor to traffic accidents.

Cheers

Brian

Brian B,
I am also a paramedic, in the N.T, so I am also aware of the role speed plays in determining the extent of injuries suffered as a result of MVA's. I believe however it is INAPPROPRIATE speed that is a contributing factor in the cause of many accidents. Sitting at 100km/h in the wrong lane is in my view a very good example of inappropriate speed that increases the chance of a traumatic accident. As I said I believe increasing your speed by a modest amount is a safer and thus more appropriate speed in that circumstance. To be fined for this is somewhat galling. I agree that sitting at 160km/h or similar whilst overtaking is not safe and I am not advocating these speeds on roads that are not designed for it and have a 100km/h limit. Cheers.

In addition to the IPB appeal you can also write to the responsible State government minister - the mechanics of this is that everything is put on hold until an answer is provided. I have represented my daughter and daughter in a review of infringements through the IPB (got the usual and expected bureaucratic response) - I then elected to write to the Minister got a positive response in one case and still waiting for an answer in the other. Bottom line is that this, while frustrating, is a much cheaper process than going to court. After all - an infringement notice is just that and nothing more and it can be withdrawn at any time up to the time you front the Beak. So try the ministerial path after you have tried the IPB it will only cost you a stamp.

Thanks. Patrol22 is this the process in all states, I'm in Qld?

Austravel As I understand it yes - it is one of those wonderful quirks of our the conventions of our system of parliament. The particular convention is that of 'ministerial responsibility' where regardless the minister must answer your query/complaint. That said, they can still legislate out this avenue of appeal and force the court approach but unless it is legislated out or the matter is of a criminal nature then the bureaucracy (at the head of which is the minister) can deal with the matter up until it is mentioned/listed for court. Make sure that when you write to the relevant minister you also address the letter and send it to the IPB. Might only slow things down but it is still worth the effort - and it really give the IPB thebleepes.

Love to know how to contact him.

$150 charge, then he saves you frmo a $132 fine.

Nope first fine was $150 and 3 points and the next $350 and 6 points. Don't agree with the speeds they both told me I was doing, second one wasn't sure of actual amount but the first one he changed the figure 3 times when I denied it. But the points hurt.

Yes I heard parts of this, most of what he said was the unrealiabilty of the actual radar units due to powerlines etc. He also said that the most you will pay in court in NSW is the original fine plus 60 or so bucks for court costs if you loose. Also if you elect to take it to court, you don't loose any points etc until it has been heard which can be up to 18 months later.

Being booked for overtaking is not only not right but you could argue it's not safe either. But then I guess you are supposed to wait on line for 1km of straight road with no oncomming traffic.

What annoys me even more is the car behind the slow car having no intention of overtaking but not leaving any gap so you can. How illegal is it to overtake two cars at once then?

Cheers & Happy motoring - Glad I'm not from the coast where I'm sure overtaking possibilties are few & far between.

Richard
Inland NSW

LMAO @ Exploders spelling...............................sorry
Karen

I live in the same area as that copper Exploder and he and a lot of the rest are not interested in anything apart from speeding or in his case, dad and the kids enjoying themselves!
I've got a lot of respect for the coppers generally (except for ones like him) and most of them do a rotten job well considering the dregs they have to deal with 99% of the time.
But I haven't any respect at all for their driving ability especially those who are supposedly traffic cops, and as I said they should be setting an example as to how it should be done, not displaying their arrogance because they've got blue lights on top.
Inapropriate speed kills, but stupidity kills far more!
Alan H.

Tim, in late 2003 I got my first ever speeding ticket, 28kph over and double demerit points. Wrote a letter to the IPB, explained my history and admitted the offence. All I asked was my previous history betaken into account. Got a caution....no fine no loss of points etc.

Andy