biodiesel

Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 16:44
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Interested in any info on use, economy and reliability of biodiesel.
Will it effect my Toyota warantee? can't get anything in writing from them.
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Reply By: REX.....(Adelaide) - Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 16:58

Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 16:58
ive been using it in my pajero havent had any problems exept a cloged filter fuel economy around the same seems to run a bit better
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Follow Up By: Russ - Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 21:49

Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 21:49
Rex,
Where do you buy that in Adelaide
Russ
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Follow Up By: REX.....(Adelaide) - Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 11:24

Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 11:24
most saff outlets have it
go to the ezyfuel web site

http://www.farmersfuel.com.au/
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Reply By: early2 - Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 20:15

Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 20:15
Good article on BioDiesel in April's Overlander Magazine.
They wont warrant anything home made.

"The general view in australia is that the manufacturers are waiting for biodiesel to be widely commercially available and made to the relevant australian standard before making firm commitments"
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 20:52

Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 20:52
and I bet the government can't wait for biodiesel to be available also. They will be ready to slap their 40% exise on it..........
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 21:09

Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 21:09
If our vehicles ran on water they'd slap a tax on it. So many lurks, perks and advertising campigns to pay for, the troughs never big enough. But never you mind, you'll have to work until you retire or drop dead first in the future.
What I can't understand is what they did with the taxes of all the older people that the workers now have to support now and in the future.
Oh thats right, it went into the pork barrel !
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Follow Up By: pjchris - Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 00:02

Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 00:02
They already have...

Under current regs everyone, even homebrewers that only make biodiesel for their own use, have to pay 38c/l excise to the Federal Government!

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Reply By: Scubaroo - Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 21:28

Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 21:28
The government already taxes biodiesel production - which is why it's almost the same price as regular diesel, yet can be produced for about 50 cents a litre or less last time I looked into it. Even if you make your own at home - you have to declare it!

Killed off one of the best environmental ideas of the last century - "fossil" fuels you can grow in a field.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 21:35

Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 21:35
oh yeah,,, sure i'd declare it!!!
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Reply By: Matt H (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 22:07

Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 22:07
You lot are all so cynical. You know the taxes are there for your own good. How else are we going to help the dole bludgers pay for their smokes, grog and pay T.V. I was also thinking that we should put another tax on the tax that's taxed with our fuel so that the pollies and their families can take more overseas holidays. Oops I mean overseas consultations and investigative tours on our behalf. (would put a smilie here but not good at that sort of thing.)

The best term I heard for a pay tv satelite dish was 'a dole dish' because everyone on the dole has one.

Back on the topic, where can you buy Bio-Diesel in NSW. I haven't seen anyone supplying it. What does it cost at the bowser?
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Follow Up By: bruce - Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 10:58

Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 10:58
You are very fortunate Matt H to have a well paid job and can afford to sit on your backside at your puter and critisise those unfortunates that for what ever reason just can not get employment...I do not have pay tv , do not smoke and drink very moderately...just do not forget that maybe , just maybe , you maybe in the same position one day...
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Reply By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 22:10

Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 22:10
Oh, the tax on fuel.

If you're old enough to remember, it was brought in back in 1979 under the guise of "World Parity Pricing". The rationale was that by charging us a tax to bring our own oil prices up to world standards (at a time that we were producing 80% of our own needs) would lessen the use of oil.

What an absolute "Porta Potti" full.

It was nothing more than a tax grab that we are still suffering from, although to a larger degree these days.

And who introduced this "excise".

I'll tell you.

It was,

"His Oiliness"

The then Treasurer.

The Member for Benelong (and still is).

The current Prime Minister.

JOHN WINSTON HOWARD.

These are facts, not political opinion.

Make your own decisions.

Cheers,

Jim.
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Follow Up By: Toy_Hilux - Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 22:36

Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 22:36
Damn, and here I was thinking he started out as a bankrupt spud farmer:-)Its close isnt it?
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Follow Up By: govo - Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 09:06

Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 09:06
Shame on you jimbo, running our great government down like that..i sure hope mike t, pezza and lindsay does not view this thread ( and i had better not say about the government conducting legalized terrorism).
If you makeing this bio diesel how is the govenment going to know ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike - Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 22:00

Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 22:00
I do like to check on threads that are relevant and sensible in content.
And then I see govo's (tunnell vision) comment - I wonder what's the !!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 22:11

Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 22:11
govo, it's the same way they know when someone's making drugs in their back shed. They don't. Most of the time. But if you get caught, it's big bicki's.
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael- Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 22:11

Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 22:11
Jimbo
You may be right but if our friends in opposition had any balls the would wipe it out. But why would they? I've said it before and UI'll say it again IT'S MONEY FOR JAM !!!!!
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Follow Up By: govo - Thursday, Apr 14, 2005 at 07:50

Thursday, Apr 14, 2005 at 07:50
MIKE T...come in spinner !!!!
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Apr 30, 2005 at 18:32

Saturday, Apr 30, 2005 at 18:32
JOHN WINSTON HOWARD!

I seem to remember that the great Honourable Robert James Lee Hawke, & the worlds greatest treasurer, then Prime Minister Paul John Keating were in power for 13 years ( 1983 - 1996 ) since that tax was imposed, I wonder why they didn't remove it??
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Reply By: old-plodder - Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 08:17

Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 08:17
Getting back onto the subject after an interesting detour :-).

I looked at biodiesel a while ago.

Diesel has a cetane rating that is like an octane rating for petrol.
From what I could discover, different vegetable oils give different cetane ratings as they have diferent calorific ratings per litre.
Also, each oil have thier own solidifying temperatures, some being at around room temperature, like palm oil.

Was doing some work on a commercial vegetable oil recycling plant at the time and driving a diesel, kept biodiesel in the back of my mind as I went through the fgures. 70% to 80% of vegetable oil used for cooking in commercial kitchens is palm oil as it is the cheapest. About 10% to 15% is canola oil, and the rest a mixture including olive oil. Depends on the kitchen.

So the quailty of biodiesel will depend on your source of oil. I understand that ethanol is added during the process to boost cetane rating, and other additives are also used.

Some one may be able to add more detail about the actual process.

Also look up biodiesel on google or similar search engine.
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Follow Up By: techie - Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 14:09

Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 14:09
I believe Wagga Buses runs on Biofuel.
Since they started, their maintenance has decreased to the point where thay didn't replace 2 mechanics when they left.
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael- Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 22:08

Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 22:08
April's edition of Overlander runs an article on biodiesel and list a few web sites that give the recipe for making your own as well as listing pitfalls (by products)
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Reply By: madCrow - Thursday, Apr 14, 2005 at 01:33

Thursday, Apr 14, 2005 at 01:33
Hi Guys & Girls,
re: bio-diesel there are lots of great web links for this topic.
Here is an interesting active link with tons of DIY info plus many info links.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html

madCrow
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Reply By: palla - Saturday, Apr 30, 2005 at 14:53

Saturday, Apr 30, 2005 at 14:53
Hey guys,

Im looking at starting up a homebrew kit here in Perth, but I am looking for other likeminded ppl to share ideas with & get possible suppliers of the ingredients. Not so much of the used oil but the meths/eths & the catalyst. Im am in the northern suburbs.

Paul
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Saturday, Apr 30, 2005 at 18:44

Saturday, Apr 30, 2005 at 18:44
As for supplies, all you need to make the catalyst is ethanol and caustic soda (digger brand from Woolies is apparently high enough quality).

You can also use animal fat but there is a bit more waste.
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Reply By: palla - Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 20:13

Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 20:13
Well you mentioned where to get the caustic, but I think woolies is a bit short in the meths/eths department.

palla
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 20:28

Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 20:28
Shell, BP or Mobil distributor. You can get ethanol in 20L drums as racing fuel. You could also buy it from lab chemical suppliers. From memory the lab stuff is prefered due to it's purity and that it dosen't have any water in it.
The book "from the fryer to the fueltank" is worth it's weight and has all the information that you need.
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