tubes or no tubes, that is the question?

Submitted: Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 17:39
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G'Day All,

Just wondered if anyone can tell me if there is any real benefit in fitting tubes inside my new Wrangler AT/R's. They are going on my 1968 Landie, which I am travelling around Australia in (very slowly). I will be visiting some remote areas and wonder if the tubes are worth fitting. I have an air compressor on-board and tyre plyers so i can fix tubes if needed in the bush? But is it just easier to put in a plug on go with out tubes?

Any comment would be appreciated.

Regards,

timbo.
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Reply By: Exploder - Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 18:04

Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 18:04
Hi Tim

If you have tyre pliers then I would take the tubes as back up ane just put them in if you get a puncture you can’t plug.
That way if you do puncture a tyre you don’t have to plug the tyre and then pull the tube out to fix that as well. It would become a pain in the ass real quick as half the time you can plug the tyre when it is still on the 4WD.

Just my thought’s and enjoy the trip.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 18:06

Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 18:06
do you run splitties? if so the answer is you have to have them. if not then the answer is no but it could pay to carry some of those large internal tyre parches and tubes if you are visiting remote areas so you can effect temporary tyre repairs on large rips
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 18:39

Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 18:39
If the Landy's rims are original, they are nearly 40 years old, and rust may/will be present around the inside. But when the tyres are fitted, the fitters will let you know whether your wheels are OK.

If they are OK, definitely go tubeless. Having tubes in means that a tyre will immediately deflate if it punctures (and sometimes when not punctured!).

Tubeless are a better option out bush, because you can easily plug a staked tyre while its still on the vehicle.

I usually take a plug kit, as well as conventional patches/levers and some sort of beadbreaker. And one spare tube in case I am unable to reinflate a tyre tubeless.

Don't think the Rovers ever had split rims.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Tim F (NT) - Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 20:56

Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 20:56
Good on ya Phil, that pretty much tells me what I wanted to know.

thanks to all the other blokes aswell.

see ya on the red stuff.

timbo.
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 18:39

Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 18:39
I reckon just take a couple of spares.

Why.............

.............. use 'em at the local water holes & creeks while doing bombs off the rope on the tree & stuff!!

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 21:10

Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 21:10
arh yes, dual purpose, gotta love it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Nick K (VIC) - Saturday, Apr 16, 2005 at 22:47

Saturday, Apr 16, 2005 at 22:47
Got a job for ya wolfie lol . We have desided that we want to eat PIZZA in the bush and were think of a 2 stacker pizza tray to fit in the bedourie .

What do you recon bloke ?

Cheers from Eric on Nicks computer

2 stacker ? why cook one when you can cook 2 AT THE SAME TIME LOL
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Reply By: Steve - Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 21:04

Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 21:04
Are your Landy rims tubed or tubeless ? when you ascertain the answer to this big question we may be able to help..It is more than likely that they are tubed rims so you will have little alternative but to run tubes !!!if you know what I mean ...
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Reply By: Rosco - Bris. - Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 21:14

Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 21:14
A 68 Landie ... I'll bet my left knacker they're tubed rims. Do yourself a favour and replace them with new tubeless jobbies. I had an 86 County which were also tubed. No end of flats ... not punctures, just flats due to heat buildup then the tube lets go. Total PIA. Believe me ... go there, you'll not regret it.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Steve - Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 21:36

Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 21:36
Got tube problems.... fit quality tubes !!!
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 22:53

Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 22:53
Steve

I think you may have missed something here cobber.

We're talking 18 years ago. Quality tubes then .. ya gotta be kidding.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Apr 16, 2005 at 12:19

Saturday, Apr 16, 2005 at 12:19
18+ years ago you COULD get quality tubes. Beaurepaires and Michelin used to be the go. But since then, the Korean tubes have taken over, and they have been aweful. I've heard that Simex make good tubes now, and the Japanese tubes that come with the split rims out of Japan are OK.

But tubes always will have the problems of building up heat (friction as well as the extra rubber) and going down quick.

I do lots of club trips to the desert and I can virtually guarantee that anyone running splits with tubes will have a tube failure. One guy had two, nearly lost control of his vehicle on the highway, and bought tubeless rims and tyres the day he got back.

Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: Eric Experience. - Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 22:01

Friday, Apr 15, 2005 at 22:01
Timbo.
If your wheels are in good condition you can use them with tubes but you will have to get them sand blasted and painted with a good 2 pack otherwise they will have slow leaks around the bead. The older rims dont have the safety rib of the later units this makes removing the tyre much easier but it allows a tyre to come of the rim if it is driven on flat. It comes down to your choice between safety and ease of service. Eric.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Apr 16, 2005 at 12:22

Saturday, Apr 16, 2005 at 12:22
Just following on from Eric's good point about the safety bead, I think all the LandRovers (Discos included) have the same stud spacing and offset, so a set of Discovery rims may be worth looking into, and relatively cheap.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Steve - Saturday, Apr 16, 2005 at 20:45

Saturday, Apr 16, 2005 at 20:45
You fing it strange that people buy new tyres (for the Bush) but refuse to put new tubes with them ? ...nothing wrong with the 'old' ones (read..stuffed as with the tyres) ..dosen't really matter where theya re from when u get this parsimonious attitude...
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Apr 16, 2005 at 20:51

Saturday, Apr 16, 2005 at 20:51
Hi Steve,

I ran with splits and tubes for 10 years, and yes I'd buy new tubes with the tyres. Real shame when a new tyre gets destroyed by a garbage Korean tube.

Cheers
Phil
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