Are long draw system unsafe in 4WD Nissan GU wagon?

There was a post on here just recently about removing seats in vehicles breaches some State or ADR regulations, requiring the vehicle to be re inspected and new compliance plate issued, check the archives or I'm sure someone will provide more detail soon.

I would think that the BW rep was referring to the fact the the drawer would no be able to be fixed to the vehicle floor in the area that the seat was positioned in a method that would allow the drawer system to be certified for ADR or crash standards type of thing.

Go here and have a look click on the Safety Standards tab on the site.

http://www.blackwidow4wdstorage.com/

My understanding is that BW are the only drawer manufacturer to build draws to comply with the relevant ADR for barriers and drawer systems.

This is what he was probably referring to.

Hi Guy - my 99 DX GU has a roll out cargo draw. Professionally fitted for Powerlink (transmission coy) in Qld when new. 'Joey Bed' brand - the draw is 1.1m wide; .9m long and 14cm deep. It fits between the cargo barrier and the rear doors.
As stated above, perhaps the rep was referring to the removal of the rear seats in the ST - changing it from a 7 to a 5 seater - which then needs inspection and certification.

Hello

Interesting posting from John (Vic)

http://www.blackwidow4wdstorage.com/SafetyStandards.html
The document says” The barrier also passed the Australian standards as NZS 4034.2:2001. “ (NZS is NOT an Australian Standard)

This webpage above doesn’t say anything about Australian Standards or draws standards.

A search on the “Standard Australia” webpage www.standards.com.au/ about “storage draws “ does not reveal any AS for moving vehicle.

Under “some” State laws there is a need for a vehicle to be, or inspected or comply with if the number of seats are increased or the structure/configuration where the seat is fixed has changed.

This applies to all vehicles and trucks and tractors etc.

This legislation varies between the different states of Australia.

But if I remove a seat from my vehicle and the safety or structure of the vehicle has not changed there is no need to re-apply for certification.

At the moment I’ve not seen in writing State Legislation and a clear interpretation of a State Legislation that says “ each time you change your number of seats in your vehicle you must re-apply”.

What I've read about re-applying for a lower seat number in this thread are myths, fears and strategies, which may represent financial, gain for some people.

To day as consumers we receive junk mail by the bucket load.

This is again a case of junk information where none of the information match and can’t be verified in writing and probably profit someone.

This is part of the myth-fear-scare tactics.

Blue

Why do you need draws that long?

99.9% of the 4wding population get away with normal draws..

All the answers I have read so far are no more than myths, fear tactics, religious belief, unsupported media information, suppositions, guesses, salespeople talks, etc..

With the Internet I thought someone would've mentioned a legislative document or some sort of legal interpretation.

So far, pretty boring answers.
Guy

In the dictionary the defintion of an answer is:
"a reply or response to a question".

Did you reply to my specific question? No, you only answered with rumors.

If I ask you "what color is the sky to-day" and
you answer "the sky is 12 pounds of sausages"
this is not an answer to this question because the reply "12 pounds of sausages" has no relation to the subject "the color of the sky to-day".

All I have received so far are rumors.

My question wants a confirmation or certainty as to facts.

No one forces you to answer my question.

It is still "my question" and I am still at liberty to choose "my answer(s)" and ask for more clarification if I believe the thread goes "off-track". *

Its not "rumors".

I have spoken to the Tech Inspectors for QLD, NSW, and the ACT.

In QLD it was a simple no brainer. If its a 7 seater , and there ISN'T 7 seats , it doesn't comply . . . anytime , it doesn't comply , it needs to be certified.

I did recheck that several months later , and they seemed to have revised it to any PERMANENT change. They did say temporary change (of 3 days) didn't need certifying. I questioned the time frame , and they were noncommital about it.

Both NSW and ACT , said the same thing. They didn't really mind seats in and out on a temporary basis , but , the same as QLD , any permanent change , needed to be certified.

Permanent change meant were the 2 rear seats couldn't be used , ie , Cargo Barrier installed , and or , a Draw system.

AFAIK , its only something recently , they are cracking down on.

In QLD it may not be such a drama because there is no yearly inspections. NSW does. The inspector "may" turn a blind eye , but again AFAIK , its now a directive on a notice from Head Office.

What the actual ADR , or legislation is . . . NFI , and nor do I care. As far as I'm concerned , rightly or wrongly , the RTA is the keepr of the rules.

A lot of undocumented misinformation has been written in this thread.
I would like to clarify:
The State Government of Victoria does not make laws for the State of NSW, WA, QLD, TAS or Territories.
Each Australian State has its own law if accepted by the “Senate” of that State (QLD ratified laws with only one step – its parliament).
One particular general Australian Commonwealth law is ONLY enforced if the State Parliament/Senate of that State has ratified the particular general Australian Commonwealth law.
Protocol between States and the Australian Commonwealth are NOT laws unless ratified law.
A “proposed law” presented at the parliament is NOT law until it has been debated and passed by the Senate (except QLD). (This "two stage " voting is part of our democracy system).
In Australian and State common law and criminal law everyone is Innocent before proven guilty.
The opposite of this law is for example the well-published Indonesian law where everyone is guilty until they have proven their innocence.
One RTA administrator of any State Government is interpreting the State law of its State in the character the law was passed and debated.
This is not a well-publicized fact but RTA administrators have changed the character of the law and the “ intended law “ was put back on track. The typical examples are the “speed guns “ and “clamping system” laws, which were “missed”, executed.
Do NOT be “bullied” / manipulated by a few.
Check the law by obtaining legal answers in writing – A telephone call is not a legal document.
Obtain answers in witting from your Member of Parliament and senate.
This is what the democratic process is about.
Guy