100 series front diff

Submitted: Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00
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When is Toyota going to match their vechiles to their price?
The front diffs on the 100 series is letting these great vechiles down.
We bent our front diff and fortunatley in Darwin they are a off the shelf item.
Thanks to Sams Auto they did a great job getting us back on the road
What does this say about these very expensive vechiles (100 series)?
I would like Toyota to comment on this problem and improve the next series and compensate current owners.

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Reply By: Slunnie - Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00

Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00
I hope you were not stranded for long Cliff.

I would also bet you won't be able to get a front axle in the update to the 100series.

Regards
Slunnie
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Reply By: Truckster - Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00

Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00
Its not just the way over priced 100 series that has problems with Diffs.. there are other issues.

GU's have problems with 5th gear, pulley bearings etc. One model of 80 had the main bearings made of paper mashe... etc etc...

All cars have their good and bad points... Its just luck of the draw, but I must agree with you, I dont see $40-100k in a car..... I just dont! Specially when resale is so P*SS POOR!...

But when multi billion $ companies turn their backs on customers, like one that bought Nissan has done with many peoples warranty, THAT is unforgivable... Also when they know that there are problems and are up to the 3rd variety of the same model, and havent really fixed all the problems, that shows the care level of them...

Also remember that most of these *4wds* are now starting to be designed more around dropping the kids off at school than treking across the Nullabor, Cape York with corrigations galore... IFS is an example of this.. Pajeros is another. Plastic Chrome, and no articulation... Shame I liked the looks of old (pre current) Paj personally!

YMMV.
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Reply By: matt - Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00

Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00
Cliff,

I am interested to know how you bent the diff housing, did you hit something or were you heavily loaded on corrugated roads. It is normally extreme cases that people bend a diff housing such as jumping over sand dunes etc

I have heard of a few cases now where people have had to replace their front diff housings on the 100 series.

It might be wise to have the new housing strengthened by a differential specialist.

I think I will hold onto my old 60 series for a few more years!
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00

Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00
Cliff, I might be a bit insulated down here in the sandhills, but I haven't heard of a bent front diff in a toyota, since the early 75 series. You may have hit someting harder than expected, or you've been watching too many Pajero ads. Do the 100's have that extra reinforcing web along the bottom of housing like the 79 series? Some engineering places can straighten them on vehicle, to bring alignment back to specs. We've straightened old 75 's with a truck jack, 2 chains and a piece of railway line, but they are pretty light . As far as tojo's being overpriced, if you had the majority of market, you could charge what you liked. We lease up to 3 tojo's, and if they are serviced regularly, they cost bugger all to run. But a lot depends on the drivers we have. Some use them like a APC. Catch you later...
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Reply By: Derek - Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00

Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00
Cliff, I have the same question as Bob Y. What were you doing to bend the diff? I have been a member of a four wheel drive club for 22 years and have never seen a diff get bent and we tackle some pretty serious stuff. In all my years as mechanic servicing 75 and 80 series, I only ever saw one diff bend and that was after the car hit a rock on the beach at Fraser Island. And correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the diffs in a 100 series the same as those in an 80 series? Good luck with Toyota. When I was purchasing 4wds for the government, I found Toyota to be the most arrogant and inflexible people to deal with. I suppose it comes with knowing your product sells itself. Anyway, good luck.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Monday, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:00

Monday, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:00
Derek, Seen plenty of 75's with bent diff housings but usually after plenty of mustering, bull catching or inappropriate speeds along fence lines or off road. The 79's do develop oil leaks around the banjo, but think it could be inferior welds damaged by HARD work. They're still a good product! Regards,
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Reply By: Derek - Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00

Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00
Cliff, I have the same question as Bob Y. What were you doing to bend the diff? I have been a member of a four wheel drive club for 22 years and have never seen a diff get bent and we tackle some pretty serious stuff. In all my years as mechanic servicing 75 and 80 series, I only ever saw one diff bend and that was after the car hit a rock on the beach at Fraser Island. And correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the diffs in a 100 series the same as those in an 80 series? Good luck with Toyota. When I was purchasing 4wds for the government, I found Toyota to be the most arrogant and inflexible people to deal with. I suppose it comes with knowing your product sells itself. Anyway, good luck.
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Reply By: Jayson - Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00

Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00
Well, I've had my facelifted GXL TD 100 series for four weeks tomorrow and am very happy with it - including the IFS bit I was initially concerned about. This replaced my 1998 1hz RV 100 series and the contrast is huge. I've got a mate with this years GXL, before the upgrade, and we parked them side by side and compared differences. As for the diffs well it's really hard (impossible) to bend an IFS diff and my rear diff, in comparison to my mates, has been substantially strengthened so can't envisage any bending problems there either. The difference in NVH levels is unreal. Sooo quiet, smooth and responsive over the blacktop and corrugations when compared to the live axle it's replaced. As for the price the new model was $600 cheaper and gets cruise on the manual, the (now changed my mind on IFS) great IFS front end, overhead console with individual map lights for front and second row, 6 stacker in dash stereo, visors with mirors and lights and that still great Toyota build quality. Fuel economy is MUCH better in the new wagon getting 12.6 l/100kms compared to 16 l/100kms from my trusty old steed. Time will tell how well it handles the Pilbara but the IFS has been around for over four years now (in the early Lexus) and I don't really know of any problems with it other than those with rigids bagging the "softer" IFS. I'm a convert, go IFS. Just remember there is no one perfect fourby. In an ideal world I'd have a five door garage with about four different fourbies and a new Monaro for good measure. Cheers! Jayson
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Reply By: Janset - Tuesday, Nov 19, 2002 at 01:00

Tuesday, Nov 19, 2002 at 01:00
Hi all. Especially Cliff.

I make an observation here. Am I over critical? I do not think so, but that is only my opinion.

I find it rather frustrating when a person posts a question and requests/expects and answer, but will not/does not respond to queries put to him .

When a poster/members ask a question back, as in this case.."what were you doing to be bend the axel, etc" and that author ignores the question completely, it is ignorant to say the least.

Help and advice I think is a 2 way street, we all would like information and advice, especially if we especially ask for it.

My advice here Cliff is, if you are not prepared to reply to a question relating to your query, then have the decency not to ask the question in the first place.

Regards



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Follow Up By: Truckster - Tuesday, Nov 19, 2002 at 01:00

Tuesday, Nov 19, 2002 at 01:00
Having a bad day janset?!!
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Follow Up By: Stephenf - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:00
Janset,
Give Cliff a few more days - there could be a good reason why he hasn't replied yet.
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Follow Up By: Janset - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:00
Hi guys.
No, not as bad day, maybe a little impatient.

We all want to learn by others mistakes and I am no different in that regard.

I have noticed that I, not unlike most others, after posting a question haunt that post for at least the next couple of day and most are courteous enough to respond to any question. A lot of the time the question and answer segment yield more information then the original question.

After all is that not the purpose of this forum.

Give him a few more days?

How far down this list/page does the post have to go? Give it a few more days and it will be completely off the panel and onto the next page.

Having said that I am now curious to see when he will respond, if ever.

If he feel foolish because he may have been the author of his own undoing, then say so. We have all been guilty of doing less than smart things, and if that is the case then wear it and not bag the vehicle maker.

Heaven only knows there are already many legitimate reasons to do just that.

This is but one of a number of forums that I monitor. The point that I am trying to make in my own clumsy way is, in my case at least, if the replies don't come back withing a several days then I am denied the benefit that other users of this forum contribute, in this case, the author, and yes, I do value his opinion, whether he caused that problem to his diff or not.

It's a good thing that I am a man of only a few words don't you think?

Regards :)
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Follow Up By: Stephenf - Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00
Janset,
I agree with all you say, I was just suggesting that there may be a good reason why Cliff hasn't yet replied.
It would be good if Follow-ups could be sorted in date order along with the Replies, then the latest Follow-ups would not be lost as the thread gets pushed back to the second page (as has happened here).
Stephen.
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Reply By: Janset - Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00
No offence taken StephenF.

I was merely makeing an observation, but I WOULD dearly like to know what he was doing to bend an diff. as I have never heard of a diff housing bending in the course of NORMAL 4WDing

Regards
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