Solar panel - overcharging question
Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 12:34
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Member - Chrispy (NSW)
Hi all :)
Just wondering what a couple of knowledgeable people here might be able to advise me on in regards to a solar panel setup.
We want to setup a simple panel (say 50 or 60 watts) to keep a 250 AHr battery charged for weekend use - about twice a month. We'd be using the battery to power a 500watt PSW inverter to run a couple of 40watt lights and a couple of chargers - one for phone, one for laptop. On occaision we'd be running a 400watt drill for maybe 1/2 hour per day - 2 days at a time. We figure that our total consumption in kilowatt-hours won't exceed what the 250 AHr battery will give us.
My question: If we leave this set up permanently down there on our property, and don't use it at all for several weeks on end, is the solar panel/regulator going to "overcharge" the battery? We aren't there to use the accumulated power all the time, so is this going to harm the battery if just left alone for weeks or months on end without being discharged at all?
Cheers and TIA :)
Chris
Reply By: techie - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 13:13
Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 13:13
Think of your battery as a rainwater tank and the solar panel as the rain.
(The brighter the sun the greater the outpou from the solar panel.)
The more rain the more the tank fills.
You don't want the tank to overflow - overcharge the battery.
By fitting a regulator you turn the water (electricity) off to the tank (battery) when it is full (charged).
If the battery is overcharged it evaporates the acid.
Regards
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 13:33
Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 13:33
Thanks for the entertaining reply :)
I understand the concept, but I guess what I was asking was do some regulators simply regulate line voltage (to compensate when very
bright sunny conditions exist) so as not to apply an over-voltage to the battery and others actually "know" when a full charge condition exists and then kill the supply from the panel until the battery requires to be charged again?
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Reply By: techie - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 13:57
Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 13:57
Think of it as a switch - as long as the voltage on the output is below a certain level, the regulator will let electricity through.
Once the voltage indicates a charged battery, the regulator either turns off until the charge reduces or will regulate the current tomaintain the charge.
The absolute basic you need is a 7812K regulator for 12V
or LM388K (with a couple of resistors) for a variable regulator. both probably avail from dick smith.
Regards
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 14:01
Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 14:01
Cheers and thanks mate. Will look these up.
Ta
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Follow Up By: V8troopie - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 17:08
Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 17:08
A simple 12V regulator (7812K) will never charge the battery, you need at least 13.6V coming out of the regulator.
Much better to spend a little extra and get a "proper" 3 stage regulator, designed for solar panels. The 10amp version would do for a 60w panel and it would charge the battery at the optimum rate for long battery life. once it senses the battry is full it provides a small trickle charge to make up for battery losses.
I had tinkered with
home made solar regulators years ago when commercial ones were rare and expensive, I would not think of building one nowadays.
Klaus
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 22:55
Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 22:55
Yes
V8troopie, has said it right.
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Reply By: 4X4Treker - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 21:23
Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005 at 21:23
I am using both the 20amp and 5amp regulators from Jaycar Electronics on two different applications and they both work great, the 5amp is OK for a 60 watt panel and does all the right things (shuts off when battery charged and stops loss of charge at night into panel) One Installation that I am using is in the
Flinders Ranges Sth Aus and we only go there once or twice a month and all has been working OK now for twelve months, one other advantage with the Jaycar regulators is that they have LED indications to show what is happening.
5amp is about $26.00 and 20amp is about $65.00
Cheers
Treker
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Reply By: Member - Collyn R (WA) - Wednesday, Jun 15, 2005 at 08:56
Wednesday, Jun 15, 2005 at 08:56
Most solar modules have 36 cells and produce 17-20 volts. These must have an external solar regulator to ensure the battery is adequately charged but not overcharged. The most commonly used in Oz are probably the Plasmatronic range and these cost from $75 - $600.
For the purposes of the system in this thread the basic regulator unit will do. As long as that regulator is fitted the system may be left on permanent charge - subject only to regulator topping up the battery with distilled water. The more costly units have monitoring facilities but may be overkill for this use.
There are also so-called 'self-regulating' solar modules. But their name is misleading. The modules have 33 cells and produce a lower voltage output. They are more or less OK in temperate climates (or where a very small module is used to charge a very large battery) but in Oz they have a tendency to either undercharge or overcharge. Not recommended!
As a matter of hopeful interest (if I may be forgiven thbis small plug) all this is covered in depth in my new 'The Camper Trailer Book' - available around September.
Trust this helps.
Collyn Rivers
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