whats the problem with the gu 3 l turbo diesel

Submitted: Saturday, Jun 25, 2005 at 20:44
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Greetings, planning on purchasing a 4WD for touring, towing. Ossilating between Patrol and Ladcruiser, both TD. Have been warned about Patrol GU but reviews and 4wd forums have shown that some rate Patrol highly while other people have expressed problems. Anyone faced specific problems with the GU? is there a year model to avoid? Any comments would be greatly appreciated!!
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Reply By: Richard - Saturday, Jun 25, 2005 at 21:06

Saturday, Jun 25, 2005 at 21:06
Not me. Pick up my 3rd 3.0L Patrol on Monday. Had previous ones for 2 years, 100000 kays a piece and no dramas whatsoever, and been through some pretty rough stuff too.
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Reply By: pling - Saturday, Jun 25, 2005 at 21:08

Saturday, Jun 25, 2005 at 21:08
I have a 3 year old 4.8 Auto Patrol and very happy with it (apart from economy, but my decision to have petrol) We have done Cape York, Simpson french Line, Ann Beadell H'way and have had no hassles or anything break or go wrong. Would buy again.
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Reply By: Big John (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 25, 2005 at 21:37

Saturday, Jun 25, 2005 at 21:37
Bruzza,
I own a fleet of 4wds, last thursday a 3lt TD (61,000 k) Patrol blew up a turbo and spat it through the motor just to make a bigger mess (still under warranty thank god) .The Thursday before a 100 series Cruiser did a big end. The short and long is both cars can have problems, though in general we spend twice as much keeping the Nissans on the road and after last thursday we have decided that we will no longer be purchasing Nissans. Of the 15 4wds we own my personal 100 series TD is still the pick of the crop.

regards big john
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Saturday, Jun 25, 2005 at 22:07

Saturday, Jun 25, 2005 at 22:07
worked in mining for a few years at quite a few companys and without exception they all use Toyotas only Nissan I have seen was a boss car used for running around town. Enough to excite me driving into the carpark at the start of shift and seeing 30 tojos getting their 10 minutes of rest a 24 hour day
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Jun 25, 2005 at 23:09

Saturday, Jun 25, 2005 at 23:09
Interesting Davoe

I noticed on our recent travels through WA that the majority of mining companies and vehicles used by companies out bush buy Toyotas. Then in the big smoke and down in the southwest it seemed that Nissans had the private sector market to itself.

The local 4x4 wrecker here in Alice states that he cannot sell wrecked Nissan mechanical parts as there is no call for them and there are heaps of Nissans here. Nissans don't seem to break. Toyota mechanical parts he turns over on a daily basis.

I think that my Nissan is a very strong reliable vehicle, but then again, so is my HJ60 :o)

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 02:14

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 02:14
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 02:25

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 02:25
This was Se of Norseman where we would travel country like this or usually worse for a week at a time often coming accross no tracks at all let alone ones so crappy it was easier to drive along side them. while the going in the picture looks pretty good most of those burnt trees in front have been blown down and obscured by mega dense regrowth that you can hardly walk through so I would drive by touch - bonk gun it if it couldnt make it over then try left doonk gun it see if you got over that time. When travelling through larger regrowth (5m high sapplings)it was a matter of using the vehicle as a d9 just setting the course and mowing it all down (as seen in my original photo gallery) then there was the really tough stuff - freshly burnt regrowth bashing through hard burnt tyre shredding sticks. So yea I am pretty convinced while the wagons may have gone soft the utes are still toughest on the market
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 10:18

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 10:18
Davoe.......... we are well aware of your not so environmentally friendly bush bashing episodes in the scrub south of Kal. You have noted them often enough here on EO.

I will take you to task though as much as to say that if you put a 100 series LC through where you take the utes there would be a lot less of them left after the trip.

So here we are comparing wagons with mining spec LC utes. Not a level playing field. I have driven in similar circumstances but along tracks with my Nissan which performs admirably in the bush. I agree that build wise the Nissan may be softer but it has a chassis and drive train that is hard to beat. It is also a far more comfortable vehicle than LC wagons in rough conditions. That is my opinion.

Anyway I have a Nissan and a LC and like them both :o)

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Follow Up By: Exploder - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 12:26

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 12:26
I have seen a few GU Nissan’s at the KCGM mine site in Kalgoorlie as well as a Jack, I Think the episode over the Nissan’s relates to on the GQ patrol they had some safety concerns on site when they were involved in crashes. And since then most have just stuck with Toyota. As for Exploration Company’s they have always used Toyota have they not.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 21:53

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 21:53
Willem, no doubt about the wagons and I have actually posted on hre as much (not a patch on the utes for bushwork).
And Exploder There were definately no nissans used by kcgm in the open pits in the 3 and a half years I worked with them. there was one floating around in the mill (gq petrol ute) and middle management did have gq petrol patrols for running around town for a while. I believe some management might have the odd gq, prado now adays. but my sources still working there inform me it is still tojos for open pit work.
anyway dont take me too seriosly i am just trying too stir things up as everything has been too placid since johonno1 was kicked off
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 22:40

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 22:40
My post comparing lc ute to station wagon was archive post no 15652. Actually wanted a ute but ended up with an 80, happy so far which is the main thing.
every time i see these argument (or cause them!!) i am reminded of the quote
" As there is no clear winner the debate will rage on"
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Follow Up By: RAGS AND DAGS - Monday, Jun 27, 2005 at 13:40

Monday, Jun 27, 2005 at 13:40
Sound advice Big John.
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Follow Up By: Ronnie - Monday, Jun 27, 2005 at 18:32

Monday, Jun 27, 2005 at 18:32
Zinifex mine at Rosebery have been running Nissan wagons and flat trays for 12+ yrs that I know of.
Ronnie
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 01:31

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 01:31
Hi Bruzza

The first GU 3.0TD's have a bad habit of blowing holes in pistons 3&4 due to poor oil feed/circulation design. The series 3 (approx Aug 2001 on - clear rear taillights) 3.0TD's have this problem ironed out and are arguably as reliable as any late model high tech diesel on the market. There are a lot of knockers of the 3.0TD due to their early problems, mainly by non-owners, but virtually all OWNERS of 3.0TD's reckon they are great.

As for the age old arguement between Toyota/Nissan about which is better, after having both, IMHO the toyota is marginally better finished while the Nissan has the stronger drivetrain and slightly lower purchase cost. But while the arguing will rage on forever, the bottom line is both are a tough, reliable vehicle.

As for Toyotas being favoured by mining companies, this has as much to do with the fleet discounts on offer. In my experience, Nissan offer a fleet discount to anyone with an ABN while Toyota have a sliding scale of discount based on volume, with big vloumes getting some significant discounts. Just what I have found, YMMV.

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 02:31

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 02:31
Heard this fleet discount thing before and it is bull. i worked at a small mine starting up and the mine manager was looking at getting a few vehicles (3 doesnt get you fleet discounts) Thinking of Nissans he asked the contract surveyers boss how the gu in their fleet was going answer was " mate dont even bother - I wouldnt get another one" ended up with 3 100 series wagons. Might be ok for recreational use but dont cut it in the mining industry
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 19:16

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 19:16
Sorry Davoe, but fleet discount is not bull! Maybe the small fleet you had was the reason why you didn't get a decent discount. I have experienced what discounts I could have got when buying either a Toyota or a Nissan. I was also told how many vehicles you had to get to qualify for the discount and that with Toyota you had to buy the same type ie. if you bought twenty 75's, then big discount, but add one 100 series GXL to the same order and bugger all discount on the 100 series. But Nissan applied the same fleet discount across the board be it 1 or 100. Anyway, that was my experience, yours may vary. But don't write of fleet discount as bull just because you didn't experience it.

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 22:00

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 22:00
Sorry i think i wasnt clear of course fleet discounts do exist but that isnt the reason for every mining company i have worked at using Toyotas. As you point out nissan also give fleet discounts but yet no one uses them for their mining fleet. I have worked at a place where they actually gave us one to try (gq coil cab) but it sat in the carpark and we were forbidden to take it down the pit after 1 go after the rear fuel tank copped a couple of hits coz it hung down too low. Mine managers are always trying ways too cut costs such as looking at Nissans, Hiluxes, and one place even tried rodeos. every attempt I have seen has failed and they have gone back to tojo utes
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Reply By: fourstall2000 - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 09:01

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 09:01
As one who has had both an engine and turbo blow up (well documented on this site)I still believe the Nissan is a great truck.
Mine an early 2000 had all the problems that have given the 3.0 litre its bad name,but you cannot ignore the fantastic power and torque that this engine provides,terrific economy,towing ability, and driveability.
Why would Nissan persist with this engine except for the above features?
They new that once the problems were solved it would be the most suitable for this new age of cleaner fuels and high tech diesels.
Although you could criticise Nissan for the way it avoided a recall,no one that I know who had an engine failure in the early models was not provided with a new engine,even well out of warranty.
It was quite clear with the sump increase and other attempts to cure the problem Nissan was at a bit of a loss as to how to address the failures,I believe at least 3 different pistons were fitted before the oil starvation to the upper cylinders was found to be the fault.
Personally I would not buy an early model unless the engine had been replaced,otherwise pick anything after the end of 2002.
For the people driving the earlier models and claiming 70,80,000 with no problems,keep up the extended warranty and write to Nissan stating you have the problem affected model, and wish to register your concern on their records.
Most failures it would appear are after 100,000 kms (mine 118,000).
In summary,I tow an 18ft van, and regulary tour the outback in the club scene,the Nissan has a great record for build strength and reliability and with the rise in fuel costs is most worthy of your consideration,just pick the year carefully.
Regards and good luck.
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Reply By: Steve - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 09:19

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 09:19
familiar story. Early model syndrome. Landrover had it with their early Discos. Lazy journalism and urban myths perpetuate.
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Reply By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 09:52

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 09:52
Just get the 4.2TD then you don't have to worry.
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Reply By: Member - Michael- Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 10:03

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 10:03
Bruzza
I've got a 2000 3LTD with 197+K (of which 50% is in the bush) on the clock and apart from injector pump sensor problems have had no dramas. I've also workd in the mining game in WA for 15+yrs and have have seen some really crappy Yotas (utes and PC's) new and used.
What I find interesting is that the 3LTD engine is the same as used by Renault (Europe) in their trucks with no problems, but then diesel fuel in Europe is of a higher quality than the stuff we are sold. Renault are also the major shareholder in Nissan
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Reply By: brett - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 10:08

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 10:08
If your comparing TD engines, I think the Toyota's engine is a far better engine than Nissans 3 litre. Forget about them blowing up, just look at the power and torque figures, your looking at 151Kw and 434Nm comapared to 116Kw and 354Nm, although that may have increased slightly in newer models. I've got a Pajero diesel and it has more power than the Nissan and the Nissan is heavier. I wouldn't put the Nissan 3.0 diesel at the top of any lists for power. Only problem with the Toyota is the massive price they charge for the TD.
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Follow Up By: peterK - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 11:46

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 11:46
Brett I think you hit the nail on the head - price. People can argue all day about patrol verse LC - patrol 3L verse Patrol 4.2. At the end of the day it makes no difference - its what you like - what your support network is geared for, what relationship you have with suppliers and costs. The 3.0 is a pretty good deal at a pretty good brand new price $52. The 4.2 has its benifits but its more expensive, the LC have a heap of advantages but agin they cost heaps more.
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Reply By: Paul.S - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 16:31

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 16:31
Hi All,
Just to add some more information a very good friend of mine has a 3.0 Auto 2004 model. 20000 kms bottom end let go. New motor under warranty. 630 kms latter the new motor let go again. major failure.
5 weeks in the shop first motor
3 weeks in the shop and still to date no car.
Let me tell you all it will be the last 3.0 Nissan he owns.
As for me I have several landcruisers all with no problems.
Regards, Paul
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Reply By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 17:17

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 17:17
Spoke to two Nissan owners with 3 ltT/D's while away that had engine failures at about 100000kms.I gotta say that I think these rigs look great but knowing what we do about these engines there's no way I'd go on a remote desert trip in one of these.Blowing up around town is one thing but out in the desert hundreds of kms from anywhere,no thanks.
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Reply By: Member - Browny (VIC) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 17:26

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 17:26
Bruzza,

I reckon your better off going to a couple of different 4wd mechanics (independent) and asking there oppinions on each vehicle, even go to a driveline specialist and ask about the gear boxes and diffs etc,as you'll mainly get people on this forum waving the flag about there own vehicle. I reckon you'll find that with the "big" diesels there's bugger all difference in the reliabilaty stakes between the Tojo and the Nissan, both petrol motors have good reputations,any driveline specialist will tell you that the Tojo diffs axles etc keep him in business, there was a model in the GU Nissan that had a dodgie 5th gear spline (maybe 2000-2002) but there drive line is generally regarded as bullet proof and the 3.0 litre has hundreds of documented cases of premature failure, but people still sware by there own 3.0l's

But as Davoe from (watchamacallit) says the 75 series tojo utes are great for pushing over trees and stuff, and running around in tight mining tunnels and bouncing of rock walls etc, so if your into all that maybe the Tojo ute is the answer...........:-)

Browny

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Follow Up By: Paul.S - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 19:07

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 19:07
Sorry,
No flag waving here. Only facts. 1 x petrol gas 93 model 80 series 365,000. No failures. 1 x 95 80 TD update series 285,000 no failures. 1 x TD 100 93 model 55,000 km no failures.
"Nothing wrong with my flag" Only stating the facts!
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Follow Up By: Member - Browny (VIC) - Monday, Jun 27, 2005 at 16:26

Monday, Jun 27, 2005 at 16:26
Dont be,

Nothing wrong with your flag at all!

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Reply By: angler - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 19:45

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 19:45
Hi all,

I have had three tojo's and one nissan. The last tojo, (80 series) was a real lemon, front diff, rear diff X 2, transfer case, several A/C compressors, gearbox, I made the change and am quite happy. If only somene would bring out a new tojo with the old 2H engine without IFS I would be happier. The new cruiser with IFS is a dog. I spent the dollars and own a patrol 3 litre (2003) and a caravan. If I had purchased a new tojo with the same specs I would have only had the car. I really think they have priced themselves out of the game.
The huge price has the result of now having rav4's, prado's, and klugers for those people with normal bank accounts. Keeps the sales figures up anyway.

My best tojo was a HJ75 ute, great car, wouldn't get to 120Kph down a mine shaft but very reliable.

There are large discounts for large companies, I know as I have had experience with it, and they are big discounts for big orders.
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Reply By: 80scruiser - Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 21:17

Sunday, Jun 26, 2005 at 21:17
In the 3 litre stay away from 2000 to 2002 and buy later but petrol go for it. Good units, indestructable drive lines or buy a 4.2 diesel. The later 3 litres are supposed to be better but very pricey for repairs, as dear as Toyotas some would say, if they needed repairing.
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