Snorkles: fashion statements or effective engine mod'
Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:00
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Derek
Hi everyone. Recently on this
forum a comment was made that the fitting of a snorkle (amongst other things) can improve the power of an engine. How so? The snorkle, with its bends and added length, would only slow down the passage of the air and inhibit performance. As for drawing clean air from above another car's dustcloud,
well I've never seen a dustcloud under 10 metres high and as for fording water, if it's that deep what is it going to do to the rest of the car? At highway speeds the ram effect may compensate for the bends etc but what about the rest of the time at slower speeds and off road? In all honesty, are they an expensive decoration that don't serve any practical purpose. I'm curious as to everyone's opinion, particularly anyone who has done any flow tests. Signed......SCEPTICAL.
Reply By: Member - Nigel - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:00
Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:00
How does the air get into engine without a
snorkel? It has to bend around the various parts of the cars body to get to the intake.
Dust? The higher the air intake the smaller the dust particles. Since fitting a
snorkel my air filter doesn't need cleaning as often.
Improved engine power? I'm not convinced - maybe a slight increase but not really noticable.
Increased engine life? absolutely - less dust, less wear.
As for fording. I have friends who's work takes them all over the cape and they have at times had water half way up the windscreen. But the engines keeps going coz of the
snorkel. They aren't worried about the effect of water on the interior, they just hose the car out when they get
home. Without a
snorkel they may not get
home.
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Reply By: Member - Melissa - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:00
Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:00
Hi Derek,
We fitted a
snorkel to our NH Pajero, mainly because of the large number of water crossings that we were doing whilst living in the NT. Originally had no intention of doing so but soon realised the merits. Air intake was level with headlights and beside the radiator. Have a look at a Paj and you'll see that means the intake was quite low so even on a relatively "shallow" water crossing, we risked taking in a gutsful of water. Electronic airflow sensor at the back of the intake line could easily receive water damage. Replacement cost ~$600 (more than the cost of a
snorkel). After several water crossings and before the
snorkel was fitted, we removed this sensor and could see evidence of water having travelled that far up the intake tube.
On many occasions, we had water completely over the bonnet, far enough to get a bit of water dripped onto our feet thru the vents just in front of the windscreen. We are not cowboys and never undertook these crossings just because they were there. Also, it is possible to take in water during a shallow crossing if you drop into a hole or on an inital steep decent into the creek etc before the nose of the vehicle levels out. As for the car interior, we never got more than a little bit of seepage around the bottom of the doors and a few drops from the vents as mentioned above. Just stopped straight after each crossing and mopped up with a towel. No damage.
I second comments already made about dust. As for power, we never noticed any difference to the before and after
snorkel. Fuel economy hard to say as we had a roof rack fitted at the same time so whilst we did have higher consumption afterwards, couldn't say how much, if any, was attributed to the
snorkel.
One other point though, the
snorkel did have a negative impact on the resale value of our Paj when we sold it. Dealers don't like 'em cause buyers don't like 'em. Hints too much of a 4WD that might have actually done some off-road work...God forbid!!!
:o) Melissa
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Reply By: flappan - Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00
Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00
Anyone who puts a snorkle on hoping to get "performance gains" is kidding themselves.
In fact, its likely to make it worse.
What it will do, and as Nigel said, It will hopefully provide a cleaner enviroment for your motor, hence, making it last longer.
Oh, yeah, water in a motor is NEVER a good thing.
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00
Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00
A
snorkel will RARELY make it worse...
How would it??
It draws cold fresher air from higher up, more away from dust than inside the guard, or engine bay where its also warmer than up high...
At speed you get a 'slight' ram effect from them...
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Follow Up By: Flappan - Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00
Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00
Because the snorkle usually contains more bends in it, and travelling further in a confined area thereby restricting airflow. Granted, not in all cases.
The "RAM" flow effect is nonsense for the same reason.
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Follow Up By: Slunnie - Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00
Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00
Hmm, I think there is more to airflow design and air being restricted because there are bends in there. Granted that bends do slow airflow, I would expect that the sizes and shapes of the bend are designed to maintain proper airflow by Safari or Airtek. Considering the product, this is a major feature of the design!
I don't have a
snorkel, but have seen the difference they make in the dust, especially bulldust and will later fit a
snorkel. Also, I've had little puddles in the track come over the bonnet. A turbo diesel engine is more expensive that $450 in my books.
Regards
Slunnie
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00
Thursday, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:00
Think of the sucking or blowing theory.
If your sucking hot turbulant dirt from behind the guard V air being pushed into a pipe with only one way to go... More cool air = yes thanks.
I'll take the
snorkel....
I think by now, over the last 20+yrs, they have worked out the bends and air flow problems...
And as for Value,
check the link above of the Surf with a rod thru
the block, $5000+ later he was driving with a
Snorkel and new engine.
Totally up to you!
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Reply By: sean - Sunday, Nov 24, 2002 at 01:00
Sunday, Nov 24, 2002 at 01:00
Here is is for me.
Nissan 3.0 TD 2000 model. Northern Territory.
Before
snorkel - top speed 155 km/h (with rack)
Aircleaner constantly clogged from bulldust and dust getting past airfilter. Would sometimes need to wash out with water, dry and reinstall.
Would worry every time I came to water and did not know the crossing. Bit hard to walk every crossing in croc country.
After
snorkel - top speed - same as before. But maybe little worse economy due to extra drag.
Dust and bulldust no longer a problem.
Better confidence with water crossings.
For 4wd used of the tarmac -
snorkel is the only way to go....................
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Reply By: royce - Sunday, Nov 24, 2002 at 01:00
Sunday, Nov 24, 2002 at 01:00
I don't often see a dust cloud around the engine area or much higher than the bonnet. The cloud billows out and up behind the vehicle. Sucking air in from just behind a head light, inside the engine bay, is not going to be as clean as that from the top of the windscreen area. The extra resistance of the extra length of tube with a couple more bends would be very hard to measure. ...... very low I think. Ram effect.... hmm interesting idea. Sounds good, but as soon as the maximum amount of air used by the motor is being processed, the rest banks up. The air would simply not be pushed into the 'full'
snorkel after that. In my case I turbo-charged at the same time as snorkelling... so probably the turbo overshadowed any effect. I sure would prefer to have my air drawn in above water level. Splashing and surging.... even waves can make water enter the air intake.... the higher the better for me.. So what do you think Derek? For a smallish outlay in the scheme of things, do you reckon they might be worth it? Cheers Royce
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Follow Up By: Derek - Monday, Nov 25, 2002 at 01:00
Monday, Nov 25, 2002 at 01:00
Hi Royce. Thanks for you objective reply. I've spent 25 years in the trucking and earthmoving game as a fitter and nearly as long as that in a four wheel drive club and consequently have a definite opinion on snorkles. As you may have guessed I don't think they are even remotely needed unless the car is driven extensively on dirt at speed. What prompted me to post the above question is that there seems to be a growing disinterest in snorkles in the 4 wheel drivers I'm meeting lately. A few years back everyone was saying you have to have one and now I'm hearing that they're simply an added expense which do not offer any significant advantages. My original question was not really to see who likes them and who doesn't, but rather to see how powerful the nature of "keeping up with the Jones'" was. It was more an inquiry into human psychology to see if people fit them because their mate has one or because they really need one. Peer pressure, even for adults, is a powerful marketing tool.
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