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Looking at buying some tyres for my Pardo (275x70rx16).
I like BF Goodrich,but have heard some good reports about Coopers ATR.
Can anyone give me some feedback/performance on both lots tyres.
Thanks Lin.
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Reply By: flappa - Tuesday, Jun 28, 2005 at 16:50

Tuesday, Jun 28, 2005 at 16:50
I've got BFG AT's on both my vehicles. They have done 50,000 k's and still plenty of life left in them.

No punctures , No problems.

Good on the road , acceptable in the wet. Rocks , dirt all good.

Mud is crap. Simple as. If play in the mud , look elsewhere for tyres.

I would certainly have another set on mine.
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Reply By: D-Jack - Tuesday, Jun 28, 2005 at 18:34

Tuesday, Jun 28, 2005 at 18:34
New set of Cooper At/Rs, only 2000kms, initial assessment on bitumen and dirt road only, exceptional on bitumen, can't even lock up brakes unless it feels like I'm going to put my foot through the bottom!. Very good on dirt, although the tread tends to pick up small stones which wedge in between tread blocks - may have just been the road I travelled on and the size of the stones.

Wet - extremely good. Cornering/braking and accelleration more grip than my oldies. Overall, better on bitumen and definitely better on dirt than even my Wrangler APS (OEM) which were a roadier tyre (but still had 30% left on them)

Quieter than the old ones too, I can't really hear any road noise on bitumen. Feels a bit softer ride but that would be because there is more rubber on the tread (13mm)

Balanced perfectly.

Obviously cant comment on wear at this stage.

I got LT type - 80000km warranty although I'm not too sure I will service to maintain this warranty at this stage.

Went Cooper over BFGoodies because of the xtra tread depth, roadholding abiility , heavier construction and anticipated better wear rate (heard the newer BFGs no longer get good K's)


p.s. mine are 245/75/16s

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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Tuesday, Jun 28, 2005 at 18:50

Tuesday, Jun 28, 2005 at 18:50
I also have the ATR's on my 120 prado and can vouch for everything that D-Jack said. very happy with mine after 6,000km

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Follow Up By: RAGS AND DAGS - Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 14:01

Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 14:01
well d-jack obviously does not have ABS yet .
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Reply By: Member - Trent H (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 28, 2005 at 18:58

Tuesday, Jun 28, 2005 at 18:58
Just bought bf s for my prado 275x70x17120ser. Had bfs on my troopie loaded with 600kgs weight all the time always got around 80-90k out of them.The new bfs have a full tri webbing across the whole tyre.The cooper warranty seemed to be a bit hazey.
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Reply By: Jason B - Tuesday, Jun 28, 2005 at 20:16

Tuesday, Jun 28, 2005 at 20:16

I know there not the AT's, but, I run the BF Muds on a 2004/5 dual cab Hilux with Splint Rims. Done 13000km so far and still looking good. I have heard they last better if they are rotated every 5k so that's what I've tried.
Great on the rocks, not bad in the mud and bloody exceptional coming back from Townsville on the Australia Day Long Weekend with all the roads flooded and a constant 3 inches of water sitting on the road.

I'll get them agian and I'm thinking of putting the At's on the missus Rav.


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Reply By: Trev88 - Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 12:06

Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 12:06
Hi Papa smurf

If you have the time buy the tires a few months out of needing them and let the rubber cure go harder.

a mate of mine does it with all his truck tyres and adds around 10k to the life. apparently 4WD tyres use similar compounds

He did mention that the BFG's are out of aia now not USA and the rubber is softer and wears much quicker? can anyone confirm?



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Follow Up By: flappa - Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 12:18

Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 12:18
I believe it depends on the size.

AFAIK , the popular 265/75/R16 are still US made. Never heard of anyone getting THIS size from anywhere else.

I have heard of a couple of guys getting Asian made ones , but it seems to be the less popular sizes of which I think 265/70/R16 falls into that.

Both sets of mine were bought after this change to Asian manufacture , and both (265/75/R16 , & 235/75/R15) were US made.

The guy that I have spoken to that does have Asian Ones , is having no problems with them. When I spoke to a Tyre Dealer about the difference , he said there shouldn't be any difference , the compound is identical.
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Follow Up By: Dean (SA) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 13:25

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 13:25
Bfg's are made in Japan and USA.
According too BFG themselves both plants make all sizes.
I did notice when I bought new tyres that the 265/70/16 came out of Japan and the 75 series USA, so who knows.
What they also said is that the tyres are made the same regardless of where.
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Reply By: prado4x4 - Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 13:06

Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 13:06
If you have any form of suspension lift, you might also want to consider going up a
size to 265/75R16.

I've got a small (bout 40mm) suspension lift on my 90 series and the larger tyres
fit no problems without any scrubbing. They're about 30mm larger in diameter.

As a benefit, they're the size still made in the USA, give slightly more clearance
under the diff, and are actually cheaper to buy than the 265/70R16. I'm guessing
they're chaeper because it's a very common size.

Hope it helps,

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Reply By: export - Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 13:35

Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 13:35
Thanks fellows, it was great to hear all your reports on the tyres and i have decided to go with BFG's. Papa Smurf.
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Reply By: RAGS AND DAGS - Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 14:02

Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 14:02
What about road noise ?

WHat are they all like ?
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 15:44

Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 15:44
Have a look at the Goodyear MTR's too, very good if your after the more aggressive type, they have the silica compound to help on road as well as the 3ply sidewalls that the BFG's AT's miss out on.

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Reply By: Sea-Dog - Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 17:46

Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 17:46
I went with BFG muddies after doing all my research mainly because I am doing a cape trip and towing a trailer so I wanted the extra grip in muddy conditions. I really didn't know what to expect but to be honest I am more than happy with them.

I have a landcruiser and went for the bigger 305/70/16 and have been surprised that the road noise really isn't that bad and the performance is excellent. I can honestly say that when driving on road, even in the wet, I can't tell that I am driving on muddies... and off road they are excellent!

That is my two cents worth and the only reason I am putting it in is because I too was looking at the BFG A/T's but am very happy that I went for the muds instead. I believe they will wear out a little quicker than the A/T's but that is a price I am willing to pay to have a very competent tyre on by truck.

And they they look great! I wanted them partly for the visual factor with the big tread pattern and the good side biters on the sidewall.

As a foot note, if you are still considering Cooper tyres a friend of mine has just got the new tread pattern STT's and they are awesome. I reckon they might be a pretty good tyre to consider but being so new on the market it is difficult to vouch for the longevity of the tyre for a pretty large expense.. He says they are quiet on the road and have great grip also. We were out playing on the weekend and he is wrapped! Food for thought!
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 18:37

Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 18:37
I had the opportunity the other day to look at some Goodyear MT/R and Coopers STT (new pattern) side by side. Looking at the tread alone you would be hard pressed to pick the difference! same scallops on every second side lug, similar tread pattern. Both say they have armoured sidewalls.

Be interesting to hear the comments as more people use the Coopers. I know the MT/R's are already getting a good wrap.

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Reply By: Member - David W (VIC) - Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 20:34

Wednesday, Jun 29, 2005 at 20:34
Hi Guys, after studying the forum I put 265/70/17's on my 04 120 series. Standard is 265/65/17's. no complaints, they lifted the car about 15mm higher and affected the spedo by about 5.5 %. ie spedo says 95kph ... gps says 100.5 and over 200ks on spedo.. gps says 211kms. so watch it in the speed zones.
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Follow Up By: TUFF LUX - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 22:35

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 22:35
200 km/hr .......
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Follow Up By: gramps - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:06

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:06
Naaaah................... It's not a Lux !
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