engel or waeco fridge freezer

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just after some advise on a fridge freezer. i want a decent size either a 40l or 60l.

thanks
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Reply By: Brad - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 22:17

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 22:17
I've had my Engels for several years now and no problems. Spent 3 weeks away including Fraser Island and ran it as a freezer and had a big esky as well. Didn't buy 1 bag of ice. I did spend alot of time on this forum getting info before I bought and in the end it came down to personal choice. I have heard good and bad stories for both Engels and Waeco. In the end I chose Engel and am happy.

Hope this helps

Brad
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Reply By: timber - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 22:18

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 22:18
Check the archive, you will find advice that comes from the Toyota/Nissan, Holden/Ford, Petrol/Diesel schools of what is best.

Size depends on what you want to carry, for how long and how much cold alcohol you want to consume at the end of the day.

Me I run a 50 l Waeco, suits my needs and have had no problems, but there is only me and SWMBO to cater for and a 6 pack of beer is all I need cold for an evening around the campfire, most trips are only weekenders so no great issue with storage capacity.

Cheers

Buggerlux
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Reply By: gramps - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 22:19

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 22:19
calny,

You'll probably start WW3 with that question. Before I duck for cover my 2c worth - Engel if you're not phased by price, Waeco if you're stingy like me. Engel is not the dearest option though. There are more expensive brands. All will do the job to differing degrees.

I'll let the more experienced and/or fanatical guide you from here.

Good luck.
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Reply By: Bob of KAOS - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 22:29

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 22:29
Either
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Reply By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 22:56

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 22:56
I've owned both and they both keep stuff cold.

Waeco is a better value option IMO.

Cheers,

Jim
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Reply By: Mainey (WA) - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:11

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:11
cainy,

Your choice; 50 Ltrs
Spend less money than the Waeco.
Has same compressor as the Waeco.
Has thicker insullation than the Waeco.

http://www.refrigerationresearch.com.au/RT%20Reefer.html

Yes, it even looks like a waeco... :-)
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:25

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:25
I think you will find they are an inefficient fridge because they are a 240v compressor with a 12/240v inverter.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:51

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:51
I think you're right there Leroy. This was nutted out sometime ago on here.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 00:16

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 00:16
Leroy,

That idea has been posted previously, however it is only a myth

They definitely don't use an inverter to run the compressor
they only run on 240v if you plug them into the 240v socket

As I understand it the Reefer RT50 are specifically designed for the extreme Australian environment with an energy efficient 12 volt Danfoss BD35 compressor, the exact same compressor as used in the Waeco fridge of similar size.

They have 50mm thick insulation giving the unit superior cooling ability, and a full Stainless Steel evaporator, giving full top to bottom efficient cooling.

The German made Danfoss DB35 is positively a 12v compressor
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 00:54

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 00:54
That's interesting. They have some new models and they dropped the Mitsubishi compressor, can only be a good thing.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 08:32

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 08:32
hmmm I don't think it was a myth mainey. It does apear they have new models based on 12volt compressors but they were definitely 240v compressors in the past.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 09:20

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 09:20
Their website says it's a Danfoss BD35.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 14:16

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 14:16
Leroy,
I assure it was a myth, they still make the stainless steel fridge with the Mitsubishi compressor, it is almost twice the price, but you get so much more in the way of technical benefits, so it is out of the price range of those who only go camping as weekend warriors who only want the cheapest fridge they can buy.
That is where the Reefer RT50 absolutely shines, it uses the same compressor as the Waeco and Everkool and even the Autofridge and most others, but is less money and with thicker insulation is much better value.

Mad Dog,
It is a totally new range, the original stainless steel fridge with the Mitsi compressor and now the Waeco style fridge for those who have a limited budget, it is less expensive but better technical specifications than Waeco.
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 21:34

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 21:34
Fantastic value......they are basically the same as the FF waeco series. If i was in the market for a fridge today it would be my choice.
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Reply By: cokeaddict - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:25

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:25
Luck of the draw really,
both are good, have to be unlucky to cop a rotten egg but they both have faulty units unfortunately. Anything mechanical can break down. I got a waeco 80...been excellent for me. Good luck.
Ange.
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Reply By: Member - Cocka - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:30

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:30
Four important Q's first befor anyone to give you good advice rather than just an opinion.

1. How many going on your trips ?

2. Where are you likely to be going to on most trips ? ( Deserts, remote tracks, National Parks, only bitumen, fishing etc)

3. Are you going to be travelling mostly OR stopped in caravan parks, beaches (or similar) for long periods ?

4. What kind of vehicle are you setting up in ?

There are many scenarios, most will work, some expensive / some cheap, some require dual batteries / generators, some great on gas.

Give us answers to the above and your more likely to get a decent answer that'll save your $ & time.
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:49

Saturday, Jul 02, 2005 at 23:49
Engel for better build quality.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 00:03

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 00:03
I have an Engel also as do most of my mates. Even mix of 40 and 60l. They are good on the battery juice. We leave them on all the time while camping (including night time). None of us have had problems. what more can I say?

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - iMusty (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 12:03

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 12:03
Mad Dog.

You don't need good quality if you are just sitting in you computor room filled with beer.

lololololololololol

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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 12:28

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 12:28
hehe, cannot afford to buy cheap with two kids who abuse things.
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Follow Up By: Member - iMusty (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 14:06

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 14:06
I've had the pleasure of meeting your family and butter wouldn't melt in those little angles mouths.

I don't know how you did it Mad Dog.

AND, Michelle to boot. You've got a lucky charm mate.

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Reply By: D-Jack - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 09:32

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 09:32
I Agree with Mad Dog - Engels cost more but are tougher, because they are not made of plastic. You will save a fair bit with a Waeco though, which balances it out. Both have similar efficiency/performance figures, I just prefer metal to steel. I can sit on my fridge, the waeco lids have been known to warp in the heat and need replacing. I beleive the aftermarket service for Waecos is 2nd to none, judging by previous comments on this forum, but we hardly hear of any comments on aftermarket service for Engel because it is hardly ever needed. Engel also have a history of reliability, waeco are relatively new on the market in Australia. Mates have engels 20 years old plus, and still work as well as the day they bought them with absolutely no repairs or servicing. This is reflected in resale prices.

A friend has a 50 Waeco, and it seems to be easier to regulate the temperature than my engel, very easy to freeze in an Engel, but the more you practice the better you become.

Engel 40L anniversary models in Stainless Steel for $999 at Rays in SA - bargain if u ask me.

D-JAck
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Follow Up By: Member - iMusty (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 12:06

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 12:06
I though Waecos wre made of steel but covered in a plasticy finish? Im not starting anything here, It's just what I thought.
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Reply By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 09:44

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 09:44
More important than brand is design.

How big does it need to be?
Do you need a separate freezer compartment?
What space do you have in the car?
Is height with the lid open an issue?
What are the tie down points like?
How much battery power do you have to run it?

Find one that suits your needs, don't buy based on brand alone; most are very reliable.

One final point. Don't buy one that is too small. What may seem adequate, may very soon become too small. Some people get by with a 40L by packing judiciously. I got sick of having only 40 and went to 80; we like to take a lot of stuff.

Cheers,

Jim.
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Reply By: Member - Steve (ACT) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 10:17

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 10:17
We know just where you guys are at the moment, until recently we had an OLD OLD Electolux 3 way fridge we picked up for $50 at a garage sale, had it service and it still runs perfectly.

But with building cargo drawers it wasn't going to fit so we had the same choice to make, we asked many people and everytime we spoke to someone we ended up leaning the other way.

We ended up with the 40L engel and have had our first long weekend away with it, we had it running off the car the whole time, (duel batteries) no problems.

Good luck with which ever you decide on!!

Steve
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Reply By: Member - iMusty (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 12:07

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 12:07
Buy a 12 Volt icemaker.
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Reply By: Patrick - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 12:51

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 12:51
Have had a 50L Waeco for nearly four years without any major problems. Runs a treat on battery when away and used as a home fridge between trips. I am very happy with its performance and reliability. I added a cover some time ago which really offered lower current draw with longer chilling due to the insulation.

The full weight is amanagable rather than a larger one needing two people to move.

What every product you buy it, you will benefit from having access to the fridge/freezer when tripping.
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Reply By: desert - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 13:26

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 13:26
BUSHBOY fridges. Made locally (Melbourne) by a fridge engineer who is also a four wheel driver. Std sizes are: 40l,50l 90l, OR will custom build to your shape and size. Runs two speed Danfos, has service points so any idiot can regas it, basic wiring so any idiot can problem solve, gas strut lid etc, very rugged and 100% reliable. My 50 lt, model pulls 4.5 amps on high and 2.2 amps on low speed. Choice of powder coat finish or Gal, no fuss, no glamour, just simple basic mechanics that work.
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Reply By: Member - Collyn R (WA) - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 14:08

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 14:08
As a generalisation you will find that most portable fridges have very similar potential consumption and performance. Whether or not that inherent perfomance is obtained is mostly a function of installation and usage.

Most 12-volt fridges are connected via ludicously too-thin cable. Very few work as well as they could.

Because of the above, when most users argue about whether an XY is better than BH, they are primarily comparing the quality of installation (often dreadful) and manner of usage (which may well relate mostly to the quantity of beer cooled and drunk - or fish being frozen, or both).

Eutectic fridges such as Indel and Autofridge however can be used in an optional 'pump down' mode that genuinely slashes energy consumption. Used normally (on a thermostat setting) they tend to use marginally more energy than most.
Collyn Rivers
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Reply By: neilvin - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 15:11

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 15:11
We used a Waeco 35 l as a freezer for a two year trip around Oz - worked great, no problems.
I also converted an old 300 l domestic household fridge using Waeco parts (condenser unit which used the larger BD-50F compressor and an evaperator unit) for the caravan, also worked great over the 2 yrs. You can keep a lot of food ad drink cold in a 300l fridge !!
Danfoss equipment is pretty good
Regards
Neil
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Reply By: Phillydom - Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 16:52

Sunday, Jul 03, 2005 at 16:52
I work in the mining industry where we use engels on our electric shovels and I had the oppertunity to pull one apart only to find that it was stuffed full of electronics. Imagine my surprise because the salesman say that they are better because they supposed to be wired 12v simple not like waeco's.
But they are full of crap man because today they use electronics for everything, engels AND waecos........However in the end I bought a waeco 60 litre and had it now for a few years and like engels it works just fine.....so dont ask which is better just go out there and give them all a good look over and make a decision based upon which one suits your situation and needs best, size weight etc.
I made the decision based upon if it was fully loaded could I lift and carry it!!!!
waeco won!
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